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boostownsme

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In Topic: NYPD kill a man after placing him in a chokehold

21 July 2014 - 10:00 PM

You are allowed to resist an unlawful arrest at any time, so I don't know what you're talking about. You can only use the force part if met with force.

So 400 lb. man resists arrest, because there is no legal, suspicious or probable reason for him to be arrested. Legal.

The cops then use excessive force because he is too big for them to subdue otherwise. Illegal.

The man is then within his rights to match that force. Legal.

So we have large black man 2 - cops 0 on our legal scoreboard.

Problem is we live in a police state where it's generally accepted to just bow down and take it for fear of being shot or beaten. It shouldn't be this way and change NEEDS to happen.

Once again, you are a cop. You are here to protect me, and serve me. Not murder (which is what this was) with impunity.

I usually agree with your posts man, as I lurk here often but your backwards on this one. The USSC and the trial courts specifically made mention in this oft quoted case that you can only resist if its effected with excessive force. Internet heros have twisted the ruling to fit their argument. Your sentence " because he is too big for them to subdue otherwise" basically nullifies your "excessive" argument because your basically saying the force leading up to that was insufficient to achieve their goal, therefore an escalation in force was necessary and not excessive.


 


In Topic: NYPD kill a man after placing him in a chokehold

21 July 2014 - 09:37 PM

Well you can use deadly force in defense of someone else being unlawfully arrested. So what should have happened in this NYPD situation is that a bystander, after hearing the man say I can't breathe during an unlawful arrest, should have used any and all force necessary to get the cops off him. The cops should all be in the hospital or in prison. If you are a cop, you are there to serve me. Which means you should be helping me before making any kind of knee jerk assumption that results in a deadly chokehold.

 

It wasn't unlawful if they had PC for an arrest, and like  I stated who's to say what happened before the camera was turned on. Also you missed the point where you're ONLY able to resist an unlawful arrest where the officer is using excessive force to effect it. If these cops did have PC for an arrest, what amount of force would you say is excessive to get control of a 400 lb male?


In Topic: NYPD kill a man after placing him in a chokehold

21 July 2014 - 08:58 PM

Way to live up to stereotypes

 

What stereotype would that be? Many others out there share my views ( preposterous I know ) you've dredged up from however long ago, which I have no remorse for. As to how they relate to the topic this thread is on, I have no idea other than liberal attack strategy #13, avoid the issue and attack the person.


In Topic: NYPD kill a man after placing him in a chokehold

21 July 2014 - 08:29 PM

So because you're a cop, who is supposed to uphold the law of the land, you disagree with a supreme court ruling (the biggest and final law of the land) that citizens can use deadly force if it's reasonable during an unlawful arrest? Sounds about par for the course for most law enforcement agencies, pick and choose the laws you want to follow.

 

With further reading, I looked into that case and while interesting, the scope is so narrow it would be hard to replicate the exact set of events needed to carry it out. Also the case rests with an officer using an unlawful amount of force, until which is used you can not resist a technically "unlawful" arrest, however shitty that may sound to you.


In Topic: NYPD kill a man after placing him in a chokehold

21 July 2014 - 08:21 PM

So because you're a cop, who is supposed to uphold the law of the land, you disagree with a supreme court ruling (the biggest and final law of the land) that citizens can use deadly force if it's reasonable during an unlawful arrest? Sounds about par for the course for most law enforcement agencies, pick and choose the laws you want to follow.

 

I can't speak for others, but I don't pick and choose and once again the whole broad stroke approach is offensive. Many people who say they know their rights know very little indeed. Without diving into the minutiae, are you and others saying that this scenario would be backed as justifiable homicide all the way to the USSC-

Car is stopped and your friend who was carrying cocaine bails and runs. The Leo then says that the cocaine in the car is yours since your friend threw the bag near you and you, being the law abiding citizen you are, stayed in the car. Since you know this to be untrue, and hence an "unlawful" arrest, are you going to blast away knowing the court has your back?


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