CJ is the one who was always double teamed, which helped Hardy even more. CJ also played '13 with a bum knee after that Patriot chop blocked him. Not to mention that nearly half of Hardy's 2013 stats came against the worst LT in football while playing week 17 against a terrible 4-12 team.
Those stat stuffing games against ATL's terrible OL really raised the hype and myth around Hardy.
But this year will be different. Hardy doesn't have CJ in Dallas to take on double teams and leave him with 1 on 1 coverage. He's going to be the one getting double teamed.
Dude, that's a load of crap. CJ wasn't "always" double teamed... Hardy was the one facing double teams more often than not. Hardy and Star were the two most double teamed players on the line in 2013. In 2012 you have an argument, but not 2013. Hardy also VERY consistently got pressures and QB hits (near the top of the league in fact) WHILE going up against LTs, who are generally the team's best pass protector.
I hate when people bring up that "but he feasted on bad LTs!" argument. That's what the fug elite DE's do. Julius Pepper did it, Jared Allen made a career out of it, and the list goes on. You can't hold completely taking over a game against Hardy. Even when Hardy wasn't getting sacks he was consistently causing disruption in the backfield forcing bad throws or closing up running lanes. You sit here and use the argument that CJ was injured in 2013, but at the same time ignore that fact that during Hardy's back-to-back games where he got 7 sacks... CJ was injured... and Hardy was facing double teams like crazy. That logic is circular as hell.
Hardy is also way better at playing the run than CJ, even in 2012. Hardy is damn near just as effective from lining up and rushing the passer from inside as he was outside, which allowed us to dial up all kinds of pressure on 3rd downs.
He's also younger.
Just to sweeten the pot even more, Hardy also had the speed and athleticism to drop back into coverage and actually be effective in certain blitz packages.
CJ is the man, but Hardy as he was in 2013, is a better player than CJ even before he got leg-whipped. Player to player, Hardy is more valuable.
But forreal though, just looking at that list kind of pisses me off... Cincinnati gets a 3rd and a 4th when they only lost two people. New England gets a 3rd and a 7th (when they lost the same amount as us), and even replaced them with LaFell, Revis (who for some reason isn't counted), Browner, and even fuging re-signed Blount mid-season despite him counting as a "loss".
Meanwhile we lose 3 big contributors to FA, and somehow Cason counts as a fuging "gain" even though he was cut midseason.
That's not even counting the fact that half our offensive line retired and the whole bullshit Greg Hardy fiasco that the league will probably never compensate us for.
edit: I know the offensive line retirement thing doesn't factor in, was just rolling with it
yeah, he got busted at UMass and Memphis for recruiting violations, vacating their tournament runs. UK knew what they were doing when they hired him, and they didn't give a fug. Shows that they have no integrity and only care about short term gains, which as you pointed out, is exactly what he's created there. Fug em. No respect.
By all accounts he's a fuging grade A asshole to top it all off... to the extent of opposing coaches actually wanting to fight him. Carolina, Duke, and NC State fans give each other a lot of crap, but at least we've all had some good salt of the earth type of guys running our programs. Everything about Calipari screams "scumbag".
Yeah I don't give a fug what the stats say, I am right!
Anyways, the only real excuse anyone can say is that Newton was injured or his WR corps were bad. Tannehill with a worse oline performed better than Newton. Hopefully he improves this season.
I think you need to go rewatch the games of our offensive line pre-Remmers, Norwell, and Turner. I even admitted at the end that Cam was feeling phantom pressure once he finally started to get time. Our offensive line was actually pretty solid towards the end of the year.
Stats need context.
But by all means, come in guns-a-blazing and try to stir poo up. It is a TonyN thread after all.
We were probably #1 up until Remmers, Norwell, and Turner solidified the offensive line.
I don't give a fug what anyone says, we had easily the worst line in the league up until that point. That poo was embarrassing. It messed Cam up so bad he was feeling phantom pressure for a while there even when he finally started to have time.
As a UNC fan I was disappointed with Barnes too, but I really think y'all are sleeping on him. I think he's going to be a pretty decent NBA player. At the very least he's going to be better than Danny Greene once he reaches Greene's age.
The dude is still young as poo and he's gotten better every year. I've seen him do some crazy poo in the NBA that made me wonder where the fug that was at when he was at Carolina.
But real talk, we should be up by like fuging 30 right now. Some stupid sloppy play combined with a blatant long ass stretch of calling/non-calling everything in Harvard's favor and even making up bullshit in Harvard's favor.
Never thought I'd see the day where mother fuging Harvard was getting superstar calls.