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#3212110 Rank the following Panthers linebackers from best to worst

Posted by CPantherKing on 18 January 2015 - 09:11 PM

1. Luke Kuechly

2. Kevin Greene

3. Sam Mills

4. Jon Beason

5. Thomas Davis

6. Dan Morgan

7. Lamar Lathon

#3212086 Sign LeGarrette Blount

Posted by CPantherKing on 18 January 2015 - 09:06 PM

When looking at Patriots players you always must remind yourself that it is the system that looks good. Not the players.

#3205950 OT, WR, S: you choose 1 in FA and other 2 in Draft

Posted by CPantherKing on 15 January 2015 - 10:57 AM

Devin McCourty, Michael Roos, and Devin Funchess


Must get Devin Funchess. He is a perfect fit for Cam Newton.


And draft an OT, OG, RB and speed receiver. McCourty can serve as a return man.

#3204243 So what FAs are Tiffanys and what FAs are Target?

Posted by CPantherKing on 14 January 2015 - 01:03 AM

Free Agents are going to use Gettleman for leverage and go elsewhere.


I will be shocked if an impact free agent signs with Gettleman.


I do expect to sign the likes of Jermaine Kearse, Adrian Clayborn, and Ryan Clark.

#3204230 The Shula hate is overblown.

Posted by CPantherKing on 14 January 2015 - 12:40 AM

Why keep a coordinator who gets no interest for HC jobs among the rest of the NFL. Even the really bad teams.


Also, Shula's game plans are way too predictable. He plays to an offenses weaknesses and does not adjust his offense to the teams strengths. Very stubborn. I can go into his issues with understanding probabilities of certain plays and players in certain situations.


Shula has a cookie cutter game plan. The good coaches know it and attack it. He uses his star players as decoys in the first half and goes to the scrubs. He then relies on his star players in the second half. Seattle this year and San Fran last year figured this out easily and rolled coverage to the likes of Brandon LaFell last season, and Philly Brown this season in the first half of the game. Seattle was sitting on Philly in the first half, and you can see it.


Shula also loves to go for the long drives, and he will run a long drive after a long drive. Well, any intelligent coach knows if you have a long drive while you are trailing in the second half and come away without any points, then you need to adjust and run quick scoring drives to get back in the game without running out the clock. He never counters his offenses failures. Instead he compounds the failures by putting players in a bad position.


The players not only have to beat the defense, they have to battle through their coaching as well.


4th and 1 QB Power. Really? Does he not know the success rate of Newton with a QB sneak under center when there is 2 yards or less to gain? He does this consistently and shows a failure to be able to adjust. He also thinks he can play mind games in the red zone with some of the better defensive minds in he game. Just put it on your top players shoulders to get the TD. Stop going to the lesser talent on the team in the red zone like Philly, Fozzy, Cotchery, Avant and Dickson. Last season it was LaFell and Ginn. There is a reason Cam, Stewart, Tolbert, DeAngelo, Olsen, and KB get paid. Let them earn their money.


You see other offenses go to their top players and trust in them to make the plays. They know when to take the chances, and they know who to go to in the red zone.


Yeah. Shula needs to go. The Panthers need someone who knows how to attack a defense and not play keep away while hoping for the best.

#3199126 So Cap numbers and possible cuts

Posted by CPantherKing on 11 January 2015 - 08:52 PM

The question is can you get a better player for the money saved from cutting them. A good quality starting caliber player will usually cost you about 3 to 4m for the season. A team will usually keep a handful of starters that exceed 4m on the season if they deem them key/impact players.


Here are your "business decisions" for 2015.


Cutting Charles Johnson gets the Panthers 10m to spend.


Trading Cam Newton gets the Panthers 14m to spend and some draft picks.


Cutting Thomas Davis saves 7.5m


Cutting Graham Gano saves 2.3m


Cutting Thomas DeCoud saves 1.9m


Cutting Jerricho Cotchery saves 1.5m


Cutting Roman Harper saves 1.5m


Gano is probably gone if he does not restructure. Harper, Cotchery and DeCoud are easily replaced if you can find another player who you value higher who will sign for 1.5m.


The hard ones are Charles Johnson, Thomas Davis and Cam Newton.


You can probably sign 2 or 3 DEs capable of what Charles Johnson has been doing for 10m. This is highly likely.


Thomas Davis is a great players, but can you get a younger LB who is an impact player for less than 7m on the season. You will have to compare Davis to the free agent LBs.


Cam Newton is the intriguing move. If you think he is a franchise player who can take you to a Super Bowl, you sign him long term. If you are not certain he can take you to the Super Bowl and carry a team, you shop him around to gain picks and then go after a new QB.


I have a feeling you are going to get some Thomas Davis and Cam Newton drama this offseason.

#3186291 RR not ruling out calling up Hill

Posted by CPantherKing on 08 January 2015 - 01:34 AM

Bringing up Hill would be a shock for any defense we face. The panthers of course could practice with Hill in a 3rd WR roll and then surprise their opponent.


I support this. Even if you use him to just stretch the field on go routes, fade routes, and some deep posts. Hill going deep on one side would pull the CB. Kelvin Benjamin going deep on the other side would pull Sherman and Thomas. These 2 players alone would negate the Seattle secondary and open the field for RBs in the flat, Olsen against the LBs, Cotchery on crossing routes, and of course Cam Newton would have a ton more room to run if they give him a gap.


And while people love Phllly, let's be honest, a DC is going to fear Stephen Hill going deep even with the dropsies over Philly Brown.

#3181878 The Seahawks have owned our fat asses for the past half decade, but those bas...

Posted by CPantherKing on 05 January 2015 - 11:04 PM

A rude awakening?  The best running game and best defense in the NFL "at this moment in the game"?  I'm sorry, but respectfully, it is YOU who is in for a Rude awakening.  Take a look to see who led the LEAGUE for the ENTIRE YEAR for both of those team statistics.  In both cases it was the SEAHAWKS who are #1.  The Hawks averaged 172.6 yard rushing per game which is 24.5 yards higher than 2nd place (Dallas with 147.1, Carolina was #7 @ 127.3).  For defense, the Hawks only gave up an average of 267.1 yards a game which is 33.8 yards better than the 2nd place team (Detroit with 300.9.  Carolina was 10th at 339.8 ypg).  Rushing defense-wise, the Hawks were #3 @ 81.4ypg (the KC game really killed them) while Carolina was #16 @ 112 ypg.  By any of these measures, the Hawks were demonstrably better than the Panthers, while playing a tougher schedule (Seattle's final SOS was top 2 in the league while Carolina's was towards the middle (I've seen rankings between 14-18).


Even if you take into account the current win streaks for both teams the Hawks are leading in all categories:


During the Hawks current 6 game win streak, the Hawks are averaging:

Rushing:170 ypg

Passing: 222 ypg

Total Defense: 202 ypg


During the Panthers 5 game win streak, the Panthers are aveaging:

Rushing: 167 ypg

Passing: 209 ypg

Total Defense: 234 ypg


Things get even uglier when you look at Rushing Defense over the win streaks - the Hawks have only given up an average of 69 ypg during their win streak, while the Panthers have given up 83.


Based on all of the above, and the fact that the Hawks are playing at home, it isn't hard to predict that the Hawks will have more success in all facets of the game...even the ones that you guys seem to think favor you.


Not sure where you got your stats. You may want to check them again.


Panthers over the past 5 game win streak is:

Rushing: 194.0 ypg

Passing: 201.8 ypg

Defense: 61 drives; 19.38 yards/drive; 1:58 time/drive; 4.8 plays/drive; 5.1 drives/turnover; 5.6 drives/score; Touchdowns 6; 5 Field Goals.


Seahawks over the past 6 game win streak:

Rushing: 170.0 ypg

Passing: 242.7 ypg

Defense: 65 drives; 19.43 yards/drive; 2:22 time/drive; 5.1 plays/drive; 7.2 drives/turnover; 7.2 drives/score; Touchdowns 3; 6 Field Goals.


'Even uglier' on the run defense? A total of 14 rushing yards is 'even uglier'? I think you need some perspective.


So, of the 7 categories the Panthers hold the advantage in 5. Seahawks take 2 of the 7.


So, explain to me again how the Seahawks grossly out play the Panthers running game and defense? The only thing the Seahawks defense does better is they have been better at keeping teams out of the endzone and limiting them to field goals.


Panthers defense faced 2 of the top 10 scoring offenses in the NFL. The Seahawks faced 5 of the bottom 10 scoring offenses in the NFL - none were top 10 scoring offenses.


How is that for perspective?

#3179773 The Seahawks have owned our fat asses for the past half decade, but those bas...

Posted by CPantherKing on 05 January 2015 - 05:54 AM

When you talk to a cocky Seahawks fan, I give you this...




A young team started the season 3-2 only to take their division with 7 wins. During the playoffs, they went into a game against the favored defending Super Bowl Champion team.
Everyone doubted this -10.5 point underdog against such a formidable foe who had beaten them earlier in the season. This underdog 7 win Seattle team went in to the playoffs and sent the defending Super Bowl Champion Saints home.
Learn from history. A Carolina Panthers team with NOTHING to lose and EVERYTHING to prove is something to be FEARED....

#3179586 The Seahawks have owned our fat asses for the past half decade, but those bas...

Posted by CPantherKing on 05 January 2015 - 12:26 AM

Adding a few more points.


Cam Newton is running now. He was not running against them previously.


The Panthers secondary is bigger and faster now.


The Panthers DL is healthy this time and they are all peaking with Charles Johnson at full speed again.


Richard Sherman and Cam Chancelor struggled to defend KB, and failed to stop him with both of them on him.


Olsen was playing through an injury before. Not now.


The OL is improved since the last meeting.


Luke and TD are on another planet with their play now.


Mike Tolbert and DeAngelo Williams were injured going into the Seattle game. Not now.


And the most impactful part of the... Jonathan Stewart was coming back from an injury when they met the Seahawks. He is now healthy and running better than Beast Mode. To top it off he will be playing in a playoff game in his HOME. He is from the Washington area outside of Seattle. He is going to have a following at that game.


Russel Wilson is always scrambling for his life against the Panthers D. Beast Mode is always shut down against the Panthers D. The WRs have been physically beat down in the previous meetings.


The difference has been the Panthers have given the game away to the Seahawks in the 4th quarter in their last 2 meetings.


Make us an underdog please. Say we will get beaten by 10+ points. Keep talking about the Seahawks all week. It will make it that much easier to silence the 12th man come Saturday.


The Seahawks will be in for a rude awakening when they see the best running game and best defense in the NFL at this moment in the game. Seattle's defense gave up 250 yards of offense to the Cardinals on average. The Panthers defense gave up 78 yards. Use that as a bench mark for what is to come on Saturday.


Jonathan Stewart is going to have the game of his life this coming Saturday. Between Stewart and Luke/TD the Seahawks are going to be in for a world of hurt.


The Seahawks are about to run into a team that has NOTHING to lose. A very dangerous team peaking in December and January. Every Panthers player is going to sell out and the Seahawks will feel it.




#3179478 A Few Pics From The Stands

Posted by CPantherKing on 04 January 2015 - 11:17 PM

i was very proud of our fanbase last night. that place was rocking! the only disappointment was that our fans still dont seem to understand how to shut the fug up when the Panthers are on offense


The team does not help by putting up hype material and shooting t shirts into the stands when the offense is taking the field.


They really need to get this organized better.


They have the crowd wasting their energy when the offense is on the field. Save it up for the defense. Seems simple. Sit down and shut up when the offense is taking the field and in the huddle. Save that energy for the defense... especially in the second half. Quickly Cheer for a good play and then be quiet. Then when you see the opposing QB in the huddle with the defense on the field scream your lungs out and beat on anything that makes a loud noise. And do not stop from the end of the 2nd through the end of the 3rd down.


Annoying when an entire section is still seated when the defense takes the field. That defense feeds off the energy of the crowd, and it is always apparent. Adrenaline pumps more for the players when the crowd is going nuts. The players feel it.


If you are at a game in the stands and you are not physically drained by the end of the game, then you are letting the defense down.


Just my take on the psychological importance of the crowd. There was a point in the game it felt like the officials were trying to take the crowd out of the game, but that crowd powered through the officials barrage of flags and reviews.



#3176344 Let's talk Kelvin Benjamin

Posted by CPantherKing on 04 January 2015 - 12:09 AM

Guys lay off. He injured his hand weeks ago. Nothing serious, but looks like skiers thumb. He can play with it, but it impedes all receiving angles on the catch except over the shoulder of the opposite hand. I believe it is the right hand. He should only be allowed to catch on post routes lined up on the left side or left sideline fade routes. The rest have a much lower probability of a reception. Does not surprise me Shula could not work around this. Shula tends to play to weaknesses because it is his systematic playcalling he sticks with.

Skiers thumb takes a while to heal, but they can play with it.

Treatment for this is to tap the palm at the base of the thumb for relief. If you watch KB you will see him do this in games.

#3169271 2014 Panthers Rookie Grades

Posted by CPantherKing on 02 January 2015 - 03:06 PM

My grades in a previous thread were based on how they compare to other starters in the NFL, not depth players or potential. Must of hit a nerve for people to bring it back up in another thread.


Jeremy is grading based on rookie/draft value. I believe he is a bit too generous, but my grades from the previous thread would go up if you are basing it off of rookie/draft value.


Some of you are way too sensitive. I pay no attention to belittling comments that have no substance. If you want to disagree, then fine. I expect that. I also expect people who disagree to propose their grades in their argument. There are GMs in the NFL who grade Cam a D (2 of 5). Others Grade him a B (4 of 5) to give you an example. Do not whine and cry over a D grade. Come back with your grade and assessment or move on.


Based on rookie/draft value: (Not giving a C or higher grade unless they have made an impact in a game)

Kelvin Benjamin: A ; Among the top WRs in the rookie class. See catches in Seattle game. No + because of the drops.

Kony Ealy: C ; Factored into 1 or 2 plays at most per game. Struggled badly for the first 10 weeks of the season, especially with containing the run on the edge. Stat line consists of 0 across the board or 1 tackle, assist, or sack. Needs to be around the ball more.

Trai Turner: B - ; No push consistently with his straight up blocking against the bigger defensive tackles. Rarely found the second level in straight ahead run blocking. Excellent lateral movement. Pulling and picking up angles when sliding his block down the line was nearly unstoppable.

Tre Boston: C+ ; Ball hawk as safety.  Out of position at times but recovers very well with his quickness, speed and lateral movement. Needs to be stronger at tackling in open space. The CBs are better open field tacklers than Boston.

Bene Benwikere: B+ ; Excellent value in the 5th round. Good tackler. Ball Hawk. Excellent coverage. 'A' as a nickel back. As a CB he has tight coverage, but a bit untested against the 2nd and 3rd receiving options of opposing teams. Norman by far anchors the CB position.

Tyler Gaffney: F ; messed up by the front office. When a FO cuts a draft pick, they admit they missed on the pick. If he turns out to be a top RB in the NFL, this becomes one of the biggest blunders (F-) in Panthers history - right there with the Sean Gilbert trade if he turns out to be a Tom Brady/Terrell Davis/Shannon Sharpe quality player.


UDFA Value

Andrew Norwell: A

Philly Brown: A+

David Foucault: F

Adarius Glanton: B+

Carrington Byndum: D


Other UDFAs not listed are Ds and Fs.


Sorry, if some of you do not appreciate the Pros and the Cons, and not just the Pros. I expect the trolls, but the trolls should not expect a response. I appreciate topics that open up discussion which evaluates the team. Thanks Jeremy keep it up.



#3165328 Is Dave Gettelmen already the best GM in the south? ?

Posted by CPantherKing on 31 December 2014 - 01:46 AM

Haha winning cures everything doesnt it? No doubt he has a great eye for talent and he's found some gems but lets not forget he was also the guy who had no problem sending out nate chandler and byron bell as our tackles and roman harper and thomas decoud and antoine cason as our secondary


These never existed. We have no idea what you are speaking of? All we see is a 2-0 start and a 4-0 finish. 1-8-1 never happened. No one needs to know 7-8-1 is mediocre. All you need to know is the Panthers won the division and went to the playoffs.


Gettle Mind Tricks

#3124529 KB should continue to get better at routes, but...those hands

Posted by CPantherKing on 08 December 2014 - 06:09 AM

In addition to this, it would be interesting to know how many rookies have had so many drops.


Jerry Rice. Enough said.


And please show me another rookie receiver who has been their #1 receiving threat all season getting double and triple coverage and having to be handled by the #1 CB week in and week out?


When you get that one let me know.


#1 receiver receiving %; First 12 games; #1 receiver listed first.

Panthers: 51.8% Kelvin Benjamin and ?. Benjamin top target 9 weeks.

Bills: 52.0% Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods. Watkins top target 6 weeks.

Bucs: 46.7% Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans. Evans top target 5 weeks.

Jaguars: 52.8% Cecil Shorts, Allen Robinson, Allen Hurns, and Marquise Lee. Robinson top target 5 weeks.

Dolphins: 55.1% Mike Wallace and Jarvis Landry. Landry top target 3 weeks.

Saints: 60.3% Marques Colston, Kenny Stills, and Brandin Cooks. Cooks top target 3 weeks.

Giants: 56.1% Victor Cruz, Reuben Randle, and Odell Beckham. Beckham top target 3 weeks.

Eagles: 59.7% Jeremy Maclin, Jordan Matthews, and Riley Cooper. Matthews top target 2 weeks.

Packers: 62.5% Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, and Davante Adams. Adams top target 2 weeks.


Which of these rookie receivers listed do you think would get the most attention from the secondary in their game planning? Kelvin Benjamin because he is the only threat at WR the team has for a given week. Every CB on the opposing team devotes a majority of their time preparing for Kelvin Benjamin.


If you want Benjamin's reception % to go up find him a couple more wide receiver options the secondary has to worry about in their game planning.