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#3324259 All jokes aside. Im really starting to think all the top WRs are gone by 25.

Posted by CPantherKing on 16 April 2015 - 11:55 PM

Frankly with this draft class.. I would make that trade in a heartbeat, I really would


Remember this on draft day: The most productive WR from the 2015 draft will not come from the 1st round.


That is all you need to know.


The top 64 receivers in receptions from 2014 consisted of 12 receivers who were drafted in the top 20 picks of the draft. The 64th receiver produced 47 receptions.


The top 10 receivers from 2014 consisted of 2 receivers picked in the top 20 picks of the draft.


Of the past 15 drafts, the most productive rookie receiver with at least 47 receptions came from the top 20 picks 4 times. That is a 27% success rate.


The last 10 Super Bowl Champion starting WRs (pick #/name):

1. 232 Julian Edelman

2. 78 Brandon LaFell

3. 60 Golden Tate

4. UDFA Doug Baldwin

5. 54 Anquan Boldin

6. 58 Torrey Smith

7. 29 Hakeem Nicks

8. 95 Mario Manningham

9. 213 Donald Driver

10. 52 Greg Jennings


You know what Super Bowl Championship teams have in common when it comes to drafting players in the 1st round? They take OT, DL, LB, and S. They do not take RB, FB, WR, TE, OG, C, and CB. QB is a 50/50 split among Super Bowl Champions.


The reason why is the offensive side of the ball is system based, and you do not need top end offensive talent to be a power. You need intelligent, technically sound, and consistent blockers on offense. You need top end talent, quickness, speed, and tackling on defense to be a championship caliber team.


So, let's stop trying to use the 1st round pick on a WR when you already have Cam Newton, Jonathan Stewart, Greg Olsen and Kelvin Benjamin consuming 60% of the offense. Grab a receiver in the 2nd or 3rd round to factor in to the scraps left of the offensive touches that Cotchery, Tolbert, Dickson, and Brown are fighting over. You will be just fine and history proves it.


The OT talent is lacking in this draft. So, unless one of the top 3 OTs falls to the Panthers at 25, then go BPA at DL, LB, or S with the 1st round pick. These positions will factor in to more plays over a 1000 play season for the Panthers.

#3318757 Draft Man-curshes ....

Posted by CPantherKing on 11 April 2015 - 05:13 AM

Round 1-3

Owamagbe Odighizuwa DE UCLA

Jake Fisher OT Oregon

Ameer Abdullah RB Nebraska


Round 3-5

Chris Conley WR Georgia

Stefon Diggs WR Maryland

Cassius Sendish S Kansas


Round 6-7

Jesse James TE Penn State

Brett Boyko OT UNLV

Tank Jakes OLB Memphis

Maurice Falls OLB ECU

#3316489 Just Luke and Fitzgerald hanging out

Posted by CPantherKing on 09 April 2015 - 05:20 AM

Probably talking about this... Roman Harper is in the back saying, "Daaayyyyuuuummmm!!!"



#3315726 RUMOR: Panthers looking to move up to 16-20th pick

Posted by CPantherKing on 08 April 2015 - 01:40 PM

Explain how 'the team is not being built well enough to compete', particularly in the context of judging, after only two years, a revitalization plan that the GM said from day one will take three years to complete. I won't dispute that the other NFCS teams are seemingly a mess, but there is nothing Carolina can do about that.


Do the Panthers have the coaches, OL, RBs, and #2 WR or #2 TE to put up 30 points against a team like the Packers, Seahawks, Cowboys, or Eagles? Have they shown any success in developing any of these areas over the past 2 seasons?


That is how they are not being built to compete.


The Panthers have a nice influx on the defensive side over the past 2 seasons. That makes me feel good about winning a horrible division, beating the bad teams in the NFL, squeaking out 7 to 9 wins in a season, and seeing the playoffs with a possible division championship.


Confidence in beating the best and seeing an NFC Championship or Super Bowl? None at all. That is due to what I have seen in the offseason from the front office and what I see during the season with the coaching.

#3312560 Cam Newton will not be the highest paid QB in NFL history

Posted by CPantherKing on 05 April 2015 - 11:49 AM

If Cam is not paid the market rate for current top tier upper echelon QBs then there is at least ten NFL teams that would pull the trigger and not blink twice. My fear for him is something doesn't get worked out and he is franchise tagged, I could see a team like buffalo or Tennessee giving up two first round picks


I am still of the opinion Cam Newton wants out unless Carolina breaks the bank for him. This organization has put him through a lot of misery on the offensive side of the ball.


If Gettleman fails to open up the checkbook, then I believe John Elway is ready to seal the deal and bring him to Denver. There Cam knows he has a GM who will surround him with talent.


There will be 8 to 10 teams ready to give Cam Newton the money he wants the moment Gettleman messes up the contract negotiations.

#3307488 Person tweets Jennings not with Panthers

Posted by CPantherKing on 31 March 2015 - 06:42 PM

He is headed to Miami from Phoenix.


If you really must know.


Gettleman is definitely not a good closer. Seems to rub agents and players the wrong way in negotiations. Cam is not too thrilled with Gettleman at the moment.

#3306078 on paper, our new RB Jordan Todman is an upgrade over Fozzy

Posted by CPantherKing on 30 March 2015 - 08:53 PM

Anyone the Jaguars do not want must be good.

#3304988 Panthers Win Super Bowl IF?

Posted by CPantherKing on 29 March 2015 - 11:39 PM

If Shula changes his game planning, trusts in Cam to change up plays on the field, and puts the load of work on Benjamin, Olsen, Stewart, and Tolbert instead of using them as decoys in the first half of the game.


If Rivera stops blaming opportunities missed by the players while placing it on the coaches and stops relying on rookies and undrafted players to make game changing plays.


If the Panthers find a key #2 receiver that can open up the field.


If the Panthers start the season with 2 strong pass rushing DEs that will rack up 10+ sacks each on the season and a SS who is not slow and old.


If Rivera can finally prove he can out coach the best in the league. (This is the most important IF.)


... then the Panthers will win the Super Bowl.

#3301876 SB Nation does not have a clue

Posted by CPantherKing on 27 March 2015 - 12:18 PM

Other than Barner and Kugbila...his drafts have been pretty damn solid


There is more to a draft, than just drafting players. The quantity as well as the quality of the players count. Gettleman has missed on some quality, and has missed on a lot when it comes to quantity.


Based on production and starts by a drafted player the Panthers rank 20th with a 48 point value on their picks over the 2013 and 2014 drafts.


The top team is Green Bay with a 91 point value for their picks. Nearly doubling the Panthers draft pick production.


Puts it into perspective using measurable values instead of opinion.


For example, no matter how you subjectively view AJ Klein or Kony Ealy they have not started games or produced near as much as other teams draft picks over the same time. You can talk someone up all you want, but until they produce at the same level as other players they will not carry the same value as those players who are producing.


Think of it as return on investment to date.


So if by solid you are stating he has done an average/mediocre job in the draft. I agree. Other GMs have had strong and good drafts - better than solid.

#3295563 Greg Jennings AKA the guy that got Antoine Cason released

Posted by CPantherKing on 23 March 2015 - 11:21 AM

That is the million-dollar question.  


DeCoud too.  Heck, most of the OL--Silatolu, Chandler, Bell---our entire OL was sucking and we kept suiting people up and sending them in to fail.  I realize one might say that we had few choices, but Remmers proves that theory wrong.


Well let's list the problems to open the season:


1. No return man.

2. OT gone wrong with Bell and Chandler.

3. OG issue with Kugbila and Silatolu

4. Antoine Cason starting. Best possible option to start the season.

5. Thomas Decoud starting. Best possible option to start the season.

6. Signing a bunch of #3 WRs in free agency. Most were cut.

7. No DE depth. Charles Johnson played the first half of the season recovering from injury. We knew what would possibly happen with Hardy before the season started. Frank Alexander cannot be trusted to be available. The top 3 DEs could not be counted on and there was no back up plan.

8. Throwing a rookie WR into the #1 role to start the season. The only NFL team to do this.

9. Not having a #2 WR. The only NFL team to do this.

10. Cam Newton recovering while getting pummeled from a non existent OL to start the season.

11. Had key rookies in Trai Turner, Tre Boston, Bene Benwikere, and Kelvin Benjamin who had to study up on the systems and heal up before they could be relied upon.

12. Only netted 5 draft picks in the draft while the championship caliber teams grab 9 to 12 draft picks for the year. This has negative effects on short term depth and long term draft picks.

13. Keeping Shula as OC.

14. Conservative coaching. Coaching not to lose.


While I blame Rivera for the last two issues on the list, the bulk of the blame goes to the GM. Let's hope we do not have an offseason debacle like we did last year that will lead to hoping your division plays like garbage to get into the playoffs. The handling of personnel to set up the start of the season may have been among the worst of all the NFL teams to start the 2014 season. Luckily the coaches got the rookies coached up soon enough to squeak out the division with a 7-8-1 record.

#3290417 NFL files lawsuit against Mecklenburg County for Hardy evidence

Posted by CPantherKing on 19 March 2015 - 12:26 AM

NFL you lose!


What type of lawyer does the NFL hire?


Trial preparation materials are not considered public records. Now, if it was a public record prior to the trial preparation, and was being held as trial preparation materials, then you would be correct o'mighty NFL.


Also, any public record used as trial preparation material according to NC GS 132-1.9.e will not be released until the expiration of the statute of limitations. For a misdemeanor offense that is 2 years in criminal court and 3 years in civil court.


So, even if the NFL manages to twist the law regarding public records in their favor they will still need to wait 3 years to inspect the records.


And this is your monthly lesson of the NC Judicial System brought to you by Goodell v Hardy.

#3288774 Stephen Hill

Posted by CPantherKing on 17 March 2015 - 09:36 PM

Stephen Hill was in a Jets offensive system that is no place for a rookie WR to grow under a WR coach whom really had no business coaching WRs.


He was targeted 106 times in 23 games. He had 9 drops. So, on a per game basis he was targeted an average of 4.6 times per game and had a drop percentage of 8.5%. He caught 42.5% of the balls thrown to him. The QBs missed him 49% of the time. Of those 106 targets, 40 were deep passes. He caught 9 of those. So, on short passes he had 36 receptions of 66 targets (54.5%).


To compare:


Kelvin Benjamin has been targeted 145 times in 16 games - average of 9.1 targets per game. Drop percentage was 6.9%. He caught 50.3% of the balls thrown to him. QB missed him 42.8% of the time. 17/46 deep (37.0%) - 56/99 short (56.5%)


Jarrett Boykin, who I hear people excited about, was a part of the Packers passing game to start the season last year and got buried on the depth chart due to drops.


Brandon Marshall, Wes Welker, Roddy White, Jimmy Graham, Desean Jackson, Steve Smith, and Vernon Davis all had seasons where they dropped 7 to 10 percent of their targets.


I say be patient with the Stephen Hill project. Proehl sees something or he would not be here. I would not be shocked if you see Hill rise up to take the #2 spot under Proehl's guidance. Honestly, stop sending him deep and work him under coverage to use his size and speed after the catch.


People make too much of dropped passes by young WRs who are not in the slot. The receivers working in the slot with a #1 WR on the outside will always have a lower drop percentage. It is like a QB with 70%+ completion percentage when all they do is throw smoke routes, screens, and 5 yard crossers and slants. They will naturally pad their stats because of their role in an offense.

#3284627 Compensatory picks and the long game

Posted by CPantherKing on 14 March 2015 - 05:49 PM

Alright, I know how everyone hopes we get compensatory picks every offseason like waiting for Santa to bring you presents. Problem is come Christmas morning you end up with a pair of socks or nothing. Your hopes are bashed.


Now if you knew there was no Santa and it was your parents who were struggling to figure out how to play the money game, then you would know what to expect.


So, there is a limited number of compensatory picks up for grabs. Typically the top 8 GMs who know how to play the free agent game own these picks. Why? Because they understand you rent a player for a year or two at a high ticket price and let them walk to get an aditional draft choice.


What??? You sign someone for a crazy amount in free agency who will have value when you are done with them, and you let them walk. You just paid for one of the best players in free agency to help you to a Championship and a future draft pick. That is how a GM wins using free agency and the draft together. Then when you accumulate said picks, you now trade to get better value. And when you use these picks on players, you trade the players you have stockpiled for even better value. There is a whole inside game with the better GMs playing the weaker GMs.


If you knew a shortcut to win the race would you tell the other runners? Or would you use the weakness of a rookie learning the angles and making mistakes to your advantage?


I probably did not explain it well enough. But simply put the Panthers have one of the greenest GMs in the league, and the Panthers are set for ZERO compensatory picks in 2015 and 2016. The Panthers have a total of 5 qualifying UFAs for comp picks over 2015 and 2016. They would be in line for all 5 if they did not sign Antoine Cason (who the Panthers cut), Joe Webb (who never sees the field), Ed Dickson, Jerricho Cotchery, and if they paid James Dockery an extra $300k for his season. Yes, you could have essentially bought an extra draft pick. If they did not cut Jason Avant and just deactivated him for the remainder of the season, that would have been a 6th round pick. So, play Brandon WIlliams instead of signing Ed Dickson; Never sign Antoine Cason or Joe Webb; Play all the other receivers you had for the year instead of signing Cotchery; Pay Dockery $300k more; hold Avant on the team (deactivated if you don't use him). You then walk away with 6 comp picks of the pool and you can get into the trading game with your own picks for the draft. Clear about 10 to 12 picks every draft easy. We are looking at about two 5th rounders and four 6th rounders flushed. Then add in the RB we could have used in Tyler Gaffney being tossed last offseason. Seven draft picks thrown away. And when Greg Hardy is signed by another team the Panthers get a 3rd round compensatory pick. Oh wait, Gettleman signed Oher. That cancels the 3rd round compensatory pick out. Awesome job Getts. Oher better be worth a 3rd round pick. If he ends up backing up a rookie for the season and walks away in a season or two, then the Oher signing is terrible. He better be the starting LT for 3 to 4 seasons or Gettleman screwed the pooch. And I do not think Gettleman even knows he cost the Panthers a 3rd rounder. Bup Bup Bup.


The likes of Ozzie Newsome, Bill Belichick, Ted Thompson, John Elway, John Schneider, Kevin Colbert, Trent Baalke, and Jerry Jones are the masterminds of this game within a game. In the 2015 draft coming up, this group will account for 26 of the 32 compensatory picks.  So, 25% of the GMs control 81% of the compensatory picks garnered through free agency. This shows the huge gap in quality GMs who know how to do their job. And these 8 just feast off the other GMs who mindlessly wander around in free agency and the draft.


These same GMs are on target to hold down 22 of the 32 compensatory picks in the 2016 draft. Think about that.



#3281569 Do Gettleman's comments on Oher...

Posted by CPantherKing on 13 March 2015 - 12:01 AM

First round pick will be Shaq Thompson or Owamagbe Odighizuwa. The one that falls to 25 is the one the Panthers pick.

#3278813 Gettleman is cruising the other side of the highway, just chilling.

Posted by CPantherKing on 12 March 2015 - 02:45 AM

A Bugatti Veyron. That is what he drives. Check him out in this footage.