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#2902089 Rivera on Cam: "He's got to develop as a passer."

Posted by FootballMaestro on 22 August 2014 - 09:03 AM

It only matter when you have any concern whatsoever with what ESPN says.  I'd rather my coach speak honestly than worry about how a news agency everyone says they don't pay any attention to makes up headlines.


Well, you can't worry about ESPN bashing their own article, when the title and article was nothing like how the OP presented.


The title actually said "Rivera: Surgery made Newton better QB". And the quote in the OP's title actually was ""Cam's the same way. He knows he's got to develop as a passer.", after Rivera was speaking about Michael Jordan. 


The OP just left out the, "Cam's the same way" portion of his out of context quote. SMH


The OP was disingenuous in their presentation, and only wanted a negative reaction (knowing many Huddler's would click on the links, and/or read the whole articles) from Rivera's innocuous comment. And I think he got it.


Gotta love the Huddle

#2902080 Philly Brown says he is "Absolutely" Carolina's fastest player

Posted by FootballMaestro on 22 August 2014 - 08:50 AM

To extend the topic a bit, the job Gettlemen has done signing undrafted free agents is phenomenal. 


Last year:


White-Starting CB

Lester-probably starting SS this year, key contributor last year

Horton--played well last season, off to great start this year


Most teams don't get this out of their top 3 draft picks, and these players were a big part of the #2 defense.


I realize that not all were undrafted free agents or rookies, but this year, several unknowns that Gettlemen found and signed stand a good chance of making the roster:


Brandon Williams







Building from the bottom up. 


I think Brandon Williams, and Bersin were there before Gettleman arrived.


Nonetheless, point well taken. I do believe it was Gettleman's presence that communicated to Rivera the importance of getting of developing these guys and getting them on the field, if they're good enough in a Salary Cap strapped NFL.

#2901769 Rivera on Cam: "He's got to develop as a passer."

Posted by FootballMaestro on 21 August 2014 - 08:57 PM

I remember this article.


The OP's quoted title gave the complete wrong impression of the article. That quote was actually an after thought.


Rivera was in no means stating that Cam needed to develop as a passer. He was more so stating, what the injury had done, could do. Here's the title and opening statements of the article.



Rivera: Surgery made Newton better QB
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Carolina Panthers coach Ron Rivera says the ankle surgery that sidelined Cam Newton for most of the offseason has made him a better quarterback.

"In an interesting way, this might have been the best thing to happen to him in terms of his pure quarterbacking development," Rivera said following Thursday's practice. "He's had to stay in the pocket. He's had to have good footwork. He's had to step into his throws."


Look at that title, and read what Rivera said to start the article? The Op's way off base here.


Rivera had already stated that the injury had made Cam a better QB, and the OP glossed that over to give (in their opinion) what would be a more controversial statement--to Huddler's and fans--on what Cam needs to improve on.


When the Rivera made the statement the OP provided, Ron Ron mentioned this was something Cam was in agreement with, generally speaking (as you always want to get better as QB). Here's the quote:


"Michael Jordan used to go to the hole all the time and dunk, make spectacular layups and stuff like that," Rivera said. "But if you ask Michael, he learned that later in his career he had to develop that jumper. So he went to work at it.

"Cam's the same way. He knows he's got to develop as a passer."



As you can see, that statement was taken completely out of context by the OP. Rivera was actually quoting, what he thought Cam thinks. SMH.  I read the articles myself, and never thought much about either one of them. I looked at both as fluff, filler article that obviously someone had to write as Rivera gave his presser answering questions about Cam. Makes sense.


However, if ESPN, etc., see's it done here on a Panther fan website, then don't cry later when "The National Media" take Rivera's comments out of context, and run all day with negative stories.


The Huddle/Panther fans! SMH

#2899809 Roster Projection - Preseason Week 3

Posted by FootballMaestro on 20 August 2014 - 11:29 AM

The 49ers backup QB situation is absolutely abysmal. I could see them trading for Webb if he continues to play really well.

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The 49ers, starting QB situation may be "abysmal" soon as well, depending on how the year shakes out. :phew:

#2899669 Roster Projection - Preseason Week 3

Posted by FootballMaestro on 20 August 2014 - 09:56 AM

It looks like I was wise to leave Kenjon Barner off of my roster last week. After speaking with Jonathan Jones on the Huddle Podcast last night, he almost has me convinced the Panthers keep Joe Webb, mainly as trade bait. Could be, but I'm not there yet.



QBs - 2


Cam Newton

Derek Anderson


No change here. Joe Webb could make the squad, but I still have doubts.



Recievers - 6


Kelvin Benjamin

Jericho Cotchery

Jason Avant

Brenton Bersin

Tavarres King

Philly Brown


No change here. Bersin solidified his position on Sunday night with a couple of great grabs, including a TD. Philly Brown is probably our new punt returner.



Tight Ends - 4


Greg Olsen

Ed Dickson

Richie Brockel

Brandon Williams


No change here. McNeil's is back at practice but will be one of the first cuts.


Running Backs - 4


Jonathan Stewart

Mike Tolbert

Deangelo Williams

Darrin Reaves


The Huddle is big on Fozzy Whitacker right now, and I am too, but I don't see him making the squad over Reaves just yet.



Offensive Line - 10


Nate Chandler

Trai Turner

Ryan Kalil

Amini Silatolu

Byron Bell

Garry Williams

Chris Scott

Brian Folkerts

Fernando Velasco

Andrew McDonald

No change here.... yet. Once other teams cuts happen there will be.


Defensive Line - 9


Charles Johnson

Star Lotulelei

Dwan Edwards

Greg Hardy

Kawaan Short

Colin Cole

Kony Ealy

Wes Horton

Mario Addison


I said last week that Wes Horton had been playing well, and low and behold he gets in reps with the first and second string. He looked solid again. Keep an eye on this kid.


Linebackers - 6


Luke Keuchly

Thomas Davis

AJ Klein

Chase Blackburn

Jason Williams

Ben Jacobs


No change, best in the NFL.....still.


Corners - 5


Antione Cason

Melvin White

Bene Benwikere

James Dockery

Josh Thomas


I now have Josh Thomas over Josh Norman. Norman's bone headed penalty drew the rage of coach Rivera. I like Josh Norman, but I feel like there is no more room in the Ron Rivera Doghouse for him. Sometimes players just can't get out of their own way. Norman can prove me wrong Friday night, and I hope he does.



Safeties - 4


Roman Harper

Thomas Decoud

Anderson Russell

Colin Jones


I now have Anderson Russell over Robert Lester. Lester has struggled as of late, but Russell is rising to the task. Keep a close eye on this competition Friday night. It is very fluid.



Place Kicker

Graham Gano



Brad Nortman


Long Snapper

JJ Jansen


Practice Squad

Marcus Lucas

Andrew Norwell

Carrington Byndom


Now that 10 players are allowed on the practice squad, I have a feeling a few more offensive line prospects from other teams may be on it.


Barring a disastrous Game 3 and 4, F. Whitaker will make the team, not only for his running, but for his Punt return ability.


Look for Whitaker to return punts in the Pats game, if not the next one.

#2899644 Never seen This Much Talent On A Panther team.

Posted by FootballMaestro on 20 August 2014 - 09:37 AM

Thank you Marty


Almost. "STAH" was drafted by Gettleman in 2013. :)


#2898239 Who's the 'Prototype' for the New Age QB? Newton or Luck?

Posted by FootballMaestro on 19 August 2014 - 12:46 PM

Understandable. But there are certain players playing certain position that are rooted for excessively to succeed and people are excited because they're playing a style considered foreign to their identity. Those players transcend fan-base. Luck, T3bow, and Manziel are those guys. Nothing wrong with that though but don't sell me they're some prototype that are being emulated nationally at the pee-wee level. The trend right now is fast guys are playing the QB position too. Luck is not a fast guy. All humans can run. Even Peyton can run if he's asked to but not all humans are fast. Cam is fast. Luck is not.


In before, someone says "Luck and Newton run similar 40 times (though it appeared Cam didn't get a clean start out of the blocks, and we know how much more shifty, instinctive and elusive Newton is as a runner, along with his enormous size)". Lol

#2897985 Who's the 'Prototype' for the New Age QB? Newton or Luck?

Posted by FootballMaestro on 19 August 2014 - 10:42 AM

Luck puts a nice touch on the ball, and can lob it nicely with precision right over a defender. Cam hasn't really developed that side of his passing game. He most throws rockets, and it's not unusual for him to throw a pass so far off the mark that fans will do a double take. Cam will also go long stretches (more than 1 quarter) where he doesn't throw a good pass. Luck imo is more consistent. I would give the edge to Luck in passing, and Cam in running. Let me be clear, drafting Cam is the best thing that ever happened to the Panthers. His ability to scramble, run the read option, avoid sacks, and make all the pro throws makes him the best QB we've ever had, and one of the best QBs in the NFL. I'm thrilled he's our QB, but he does have some serious flaws.


Have you watched Luck Play, Pass?? :startle:


He throws as many bad balls, if not worse than Newton. Serious; no joke.


And I don't see any exceptional touch from him either (though he doesn't have a "rocket" like Cam).


Luck's a good passer. But he's no better than Newton. You can even argue he makes worse decisions. See them all the time from Luck. He can look bad many times, like Cam. However, his are not overtly scrutinized and picked apart like Cam's. Did you see some of Luck's awful play in the playoff's last year, as one of many examples??


Of course, mistakes can be expected from both, as neither has a great OL, WR and Running game to lean on as a RGIII, Wilson or Kaep, thus more is required from them on their respective teams. So it makes sense.


And I don't see the Serious flaws you do in Cam. Where? Sure he can use improvement in certain areas. No doubt. However, that's a gross exaggeration in my opinion (and part in parcel of the unfair media perception he has with some).


Do Panther fans/Huddler's watch Panther games in a vacuum??

#2897939 What do you guys make of the Cam haters still out there today?

Posted by FootballMaestro on 19 August 2014 - 10:19 AM

They want nothing more than verbal combat. WFNZ is just a group of dumb attention seeking people fighting with other dumb people. Theyre biggest loss that hurt them the most was the Bustin Loose with Frank and WOOPS! no Moose debacle. Moose wouldve brought  a lot of credibility which they thought they had with Frank. . who we came to find out admitted blatantly that he looooves stirring poo up for no reason for attention and lost what credibility he had left. If a radio show host says something like that, how can you possible take anything else he says seriously? lol, moron.


Whats funny about that is its obvious why Moose didnt join WFNZ every time he calls in. He disarms every one of Frank attempts to stir up poo like he's bitch slapping him with baby powder.


Yeah, I find it funny how WFNZ's host have to get dialogue by criticizing Cam, or the team. Most good host, find away to have interesting dialogue, with out searching for trolls to criticizing their star player and team.

#2897910 Who's the 'Prototype' for the New Age QB? Newton or Luck?

Posted by FootballMaestro on 19 August 2014 - 10:00 AM

Yep. The crazy thing is, if you watch some sports shows, they claim THIS is why Cam is NOT elite/great. "He isnt great because he doesnt have great WRs and amazing playmakers around him."

I dont understand how that means he is worse...


Yeah, I thought that was strange myself.


However, when they all leave Carolina, they instantly label them as great, though they ending up sucking on their new team anyway.


Let's see what they say this year when the offense is markedly better?

#2897891 Who's the 'Prototype' for the New Age QB? Newton or Luck?

Posted by FootballMaestro on 19 August 2014 - 09:49 AM

Well if you wanted to make a standard there will be many more Lucks in the league than Newtons. Cam is once in 20 years player while Luck is just what you expect out of a QB in the NFL now days.


Yeah, I think the hardest things for most non fans to realize about Cam: He's a pocket QB. And he's been so since he arrived in Carolina. However, Newton, has an innate ability to stay in the pocket, and then scramble/run for outstanding yardage and first downs when most QB's would have thrown the ball away, got sacked, or made short yardage. That's what makes him so great.


He's not a runner/one read QB--like Kaep and RG3 (as many silly critics think), and he almost always makes the right decision on when to run.


No one else in the NFL has his skillset.

#2897865 Who's the 'Prototype' for the New Age QB? Newton or Luck?

Posted by FootballMaestro on 19 August 2014 - 09:35 AM

I don't see how anyone can watch Newton play (of course that's part of the big problem, most don't watch him play, but are quick to talk) and say he doesn't have the impact, or even more than Luck.


Cam's Rookie season, and even the past two years, he's had to be most of, or the whole show.


Cam doesn't have the luxury of a great running game, WR's or O-Line to fall back on (which makes other young QB's jobs and stats much easier). Of course Cam and Luck are in similar scenarios (compared to Kaepernick, RG3 and Wilson). However, Lucks defense was good enough the past two years to hold onto his 4th quarter comebacks, while Cam's defense (regardless of their ratings), blew their 4th quarter leads, while Cam got the blame--though he put the team in position to win. Luck also plays in a soft division.

#2897812 Philly Brown Isn't Satisfied

Posted by FootballMaestro on 19 August 2014 - 08:45 AM

So many people on this site refuse to see cause and effect.  We had a WR who was not a great teammate and no other receiver could flourish.  Now we have mentors and all you continue to hear is the camaraderie/relationship building that it takes for young in-experienced guys to grow.  Because of this change, our WRs will begin to develop better over the years.


Good point.


You also needed a GM like Gettleman, who could realize the situation and clean house of all the crappy receivers and Steve Smith.


Many fans, have been killing the Panther WR's for years (while others were blaming Cam for their faults), along with SS's bullying/selfishness, and I'm glad GMan realized the situation here and jettisoned all of them.

#2896110 Josh Norman was pulled

Posted by FootballMaestro on 17 August 2014 - 11:42 PM

When Rivera was asked about KB's extracurricular actions, he chuckled like a dad reminiscing about his favorite kid harmless miscues.


When he was asked about Norman, he turned red with steam bursting out of his nostrils, like that boss who heard one too many stories about one of his notoriously worst workers.


That tells you what's up right there.

#2895995 Going To Go Out On A Limb Here...

Posted by FootballMaestro on 17 August 2014 - 11:07 PM

Fwiw Whittaker and Barner are the same age. Just swap the two and call it a day. Whittaker runs like a man who needs and wants a job. Barner runs scared. Watching some of whittaker's college highlights right now and he's always had that great burst. Has experience lining up in wildcat as well and has good hands for a back. Gaffney getting claimed may be a good thing.


Well, DG can live up to his own Motto. Cause the Sproles like player they coveted, may not be Barner, and actually on their team already in the person of Whitaker. Make that move Panthers.


Panthers need to get Whitaker in space, and see how far he goes with the football.


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