That's a pretty generous ranking for him and like some others have said....Cam and Luke are making a few coaches a lot of money right now...We keep winning even though Ron and Shula are in the way.
And even though he's suppossed to be this great defensive coach, the Panther defense has sucked outright, and/or blown leads in the most incredulous, embarrassing of ways every year he's been head coach.
He is their darling, that is for sure. I think it is funny how he has a RB who gets 5 yards after getting hit at the LOS, a defense that not only keeps the other teams from scoring, but gives him turnovers with great field position. His "Hail Mary" 2-pointer vs. Green Bay is all I needed to see.
Wilson is staring to believe the hype. You can tell by his answers when interviewed by the adoring media. He is not that good--he is elusive and able to improvise, but when you are usually leading the game and you have a defense that has your back, a RB who brings 8 to the box--really?
That is like punching another kid on the playground while your buddies hold his arms and legs. Then walking around like you are one tough hombre.
Shoot, the good field position is the short of it. His defense, actually scores points for him, as they did about 24 unanswered in the Superbowl, before he/Seattle's offense, or Denver scored a point. I Heard a stat, that mentioned Seattles Defense Has Led The League in Scoring the Past Two years as well.
And yes, he's always had the luxury of playing with a running back that gets the immediate attention of the defense (besides a great OC, and defense), which takes a tremendous amount of play by play pressure off of him and responsibility. This alone, makes him peripheral to what they do on offense (Wilson, works off of the run game and what the defense does to prepare for it). He's not the guy opposing defenses focus on primarily.
And I agree; he's letting the media stuff go to his head (which his probably one of the reasons why we saw the stories about many of his teammates not liking him last year). The thought of him talking about winning six Superbowls, with his limited skill set, and the fact that the defense, and other players on the team were the bigger contributors and Super Bowl (or potential Super Bowl MVP, if Seattle won this year), makes his hubris even more classless and unbelievable. Be humble man, the way the media portrays you.
He either, truly really believes this junk, or is trying to play up to his fake media image.
I've said just that. Credit to Butler for making a great play and flat out jumping the route, but there was no reason for him to lead the receiver, it's not like he needed a run after the catch. Wilson, if anything, was the worst part of the play. Seattle had the personnell matchup in their favor, and like I've said, a pass was not the worst play call in the world considering IF they have to run 3 plays from the 1, 1 would have to be a pass, why not then when the matchup favored them and open the playbook the next 2 plays. Wilson never looked at any other receiver and the pass was not good. IMO, he cost them the game.
True. Wilson, did stare down the receiver, and placed a high throw.
If he would have thrown it at the receivers feet (for a sliding catch), or even in the gut, with a bit more risk, the ball is probably caught or deflected.
Cam was the ENTIRE offense for 3.5 years (running & passing), and he's expected to settle for much less than his value, based on people around here?
Plus, a new, big contract shouldn't really bother Cam.
Why?....Cause he's already carried a disproportionate amount of the burden, hopes, blame, expectations, and ire of both the fans and the media, as well as the offense.
I'm not sure I can say the same for Wilson, who's never been in that position since he's came in the league. He's always been on the periphery, benefiting off of what people like Lynch, the OC, and what the defense does many times. Now you give a guy that type of money, and all of a sudden people are looking at you for being the savior, particularly if you have to let certain players go.
All of you make good points. I still think that they got cute hoping to make WIlson out to be the the lead story. It would not surprise me one bit if that was their motive, no matter the circumstances. Wilson didn't win the MVP last year, Lynch would have won it this year if he scored that TD, they wanted Wilson to get it. That bunch seens like the type to do something like that.
Actually, if I remember right, didn't they pad Wilson's stats last superbowl when they were already up by like 24 or something?
I brought this up earlier in another thread.
The Seattle defense, actually scored more points than the offense did in the 2014 Supe Bowl. And they did it early. So Wilson stays in the game and pads his stats through out, while given that big point cushion from the start, before he, or the offense did anything.
Ironically, though he thankfully didn't win MVP in Supe Bowl 2014; there were some in the media who were lobbying for Wilson to be MVP, though he obviously had nothing to do with the games outcome, just because of that very stat padding you brought up.
Let's remember. The defense scored more points than the offense, and they scored all of their points before the offense scored their first. It's like the QB/Wilson, was a complete bystander when so much of the scoring took place (with the game essentially decided already) during the first half. Absolutely incredible!
He's Cam newton on his first season with a super defense
Cam will be beyond great : Gettlemagic is getting him the team he deserves and this young man is learning (cam) how scarcity feels like.
It makes Cam more mature - the minute Wilson Signs that contract - seattle will fall off a cliff : 49ers anyone lol
On the other hand guess who's coming up from Cap hell
Newton was a MUCH BETTER POCKET PASSER his first NFL season than RW was, and even now.
Wilson, was literally spoon fed the offense his first year, and didn't really start to do anything till the end of his rookie season and start of his 2nd year (while still playing off the run game).
By the middle of Wilson's 2nd year on, they had all type of stunts, fakes, play actions, bootlegs, timing patterns, floaters (off timing patterns, etc.), when the opposing defense didn't expect it, where he excelled.
I think, I get your post overall, and wasn't trying to be negative.
Here's the thing...doesn't matter how "team first"or "nice guy" RW is. The NFLPA and the players will pressure RW to get as much money from the Seahawks as possible. He's setting a precedent. There are MANY more factors in play than just what Russell wants. If there's rumblings about some players not really liking the Mr. Nice Guy Russell Wilson now, imagine if he takes less money which sets the bar for everyone else and now that trickles down. If a SB winning franchise QB is now worth 3 million/year less because RW wants to take less, then how does that affect RBs, LTs, WRs...etc.
Russell has to break the bank or at least increase the top end for QBs, this is more than football. It's business.
I think if Wilson gets $20+ mil a year; then I think teammates that may already dislike him, will really hate him, especially when about 3-4 of them may feel they're better players or more important to the team right now (can you say Beast Mode, Sherman, Cam Chancellor).
It's not necessarily a negative about Cam's demeanor it's more of a positive outlook to RW...the guy is just different from other players. His postgame interview after he threw that pass was incredible from a maturity standpoint.
The reason I think Cam is less likely is because there is a standard for former #1s and the fact that throughout this year we heard about Cam wanting 100+ million for this contract.
The argument about Seattle having players who need to get paid and Car not is dumb. Keuchly, Star, KK off the top of my head are all guys who will be in the top 2-3 FAs at their position. So...we have guys we are gonna want to resign. We are also going to have positions we want to upgrade.
All I'm saying is that in the salary cap era you see guys like Brady, Roethlisberger and others working with their team to consistently make them contenders. Wilson will be no different IMO and Cam COULD do the same but the banter during the offseason seemed like he was going to hold our feet to the fire. You want DG to build this team to compete with the Hawks...give him money and I guarantee he'll do it.
IF Russell Wilson's so much of a "good guy (the media tells us)", why does so many of his teammates hate him apparently?
His "image" is all media build up. Just like they did the same about RG3 (and hid Kaepernick's issues), until both started losing/struggling, and the truth had to come out. Don't be suprised if it's the same with Wilson, as many of his teamates feel he's a prima donna apparently.
So I don't think Wilson's personality or demeanor, really has anything to do with how much money he's going to ask for. I think that's up to him, his representatives and Seattle.
Now, if you're saying, you don't feel Wilson will ask for a truck load of money, cause he either doesn't deserve it, or is too reliant on teammates, such as Lynch, then just say it.
BTW RW didn't complete a pass until there was 5 minutes left in the 2nd quarter... for the second straight game.
This is what I find most annoying about Wilson and his hype.
It's undeserved (no matter how much you like him, or what the team does).
He's not asked to carry that offense. He's secondary to it. Lynch, is the primary offense weapons teams gear up for, and Wilson still doesn't throw passes early. And when he does, it's always loopers, timing patterns, bootlegs, short quick throws. You know; gimmicks. 90% of the time, Wilson seemingly always knows who he's throwing to. And when the that receiver is covered, he bolts, or starts running around trying to by time.
No one not saying he's not good at what he does (running their offense, relying on their defense and running game). He is! But he's not the QB most who support him on this website think he is.
Think RG3 with less passing skills. Neither one of them know how to read a defense that well (or is even asked to do it on a regular basis). But hey, Wilson throws a good lob, and excels in buying time, then throwing jump balls to his seemingly/incredulously always open receivers.
Of course, many of you will cringe at the RG3 comparison. But the worst thing the Skins did, was listen to RG3 and put him in a pro offense, which exposed his lack of Pro Ready skills. At least Seattle's smart enough to limit Wilson, and let him play the hero, when he can finally do a damn thing right (cause the defense can always manage to hold the opposition, no matter how bad Seattle's offense is).
Seattle's offense did Didley squat for most of the first half, then gets back in the game, thanks to the defense.
So they get the lead, and end up in front of the endzone by the flukiest of catches. Then get greedy, trying to throw the ball from the 1 yard line on a timing Pattern, New England rookie defender-Malcolm Butler-obviously knew was coming.