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#2503477 Did Hangartner get ANY snaps?

Posted by Urrymonster on 21 November 2013 - 06:26 PM


#2481740 Klein...

Posted by Urrymonster on 11 November 2013 - 03:50 PM

PFF had him graded at +1.4 for the game on 32 snaps.

1 sack and 3 tackles all of which we defensive stops.

Blackburn is -2.5 for the season.

#2465911 Is it time for us to admit that Smitty is done?

Posted by Urrymonster on 04 November 2013 - 06:09 AM

Smithy is amongst the top receivers for the amount of forced missed tackles. He is in the top 15 in the league in catch to drop ratio. He only has been targeted 9 times this season with throws over 20 yards, which is less than ginn. Perhaps you are over reacting and it's just that his opportunities have decreased as we have some viable receivers on the team now...

#2069740 Top 10 highest panthers salaries in 2012

Posted by Urrymonster on 31 December 2012 - 09:28 AM

Restructure or Extend gross not release, the guy played really well this year, as he always does.

He gave up 7 sacks, 5 hits and 18 pressures up till the final game. His true strength is in the running game though.

#2005295 The difference between Cam 2011 and Cam 2012...

Posted by Urrymonster on 18 November 2012 - 04:15 PM

Well that 5 seconds is good then. Because that means he is trying to stay in the pocket and be a pocket passer instead of trying to turn into someone like Vick was with the Falcons who always ran and couldnt throw at all. Yes on some plays he could decide to run quicker, but he was taught to be a pocket passer first. Also keep in mind he's scrambling too most of the time, because our line sucks, in those 5 seconds while trying to find a receiver.

Sure, it's not a positive or a negative, but it shows that he is holding onto the ball, in the pocket longer than all but two QBs in the league.

You know what, I can't be bothered with this anymore. Keep believing what you want to believe, even when there is information showing you a more balanced argument.

#1999801 Charles Johnson third in pass rushing productivity

Posted by Urrymonster on 14 November 2012 - 03:36 PM

According to their signature stats, Chuck is actually first in their pass rush productivity rating. He's second according to their rating system behind just Cameron wake.

Edit - ah I see they are meaning of all players in the NFL regardless of position.

So just to clarify they have Chuck as the best 4-3 pass rusher in the league fit now.

#1997585 The Myth of Cam Newton under pressure dispelled

Posted by Urrymonster on 13 November 2012 - 02:03 AM


These stats are sortable...

Just go to the final two columns to allow some of the complete bombast you have read on this forum to sink in...

Cam Newton has been hit 35 times this season...

Mike Vick?? 77 !!!
RG III ?? 51 !!!
Andrew Luck ?? 60 !!!
Cutler ?? 51 !!!
Rodgers ?? 48 !!!
Ryan ?? 47 !!!
Gabbert ?? 47 !!!

As a matter of fact, Cam Newton has been hit the 12th FEWEST times of any QB in the NFL this season...

Now let's hear it...
Why these numbers really don't apply to Cam...
Why Cam is "different"
Why these stats don't mean anything...

Not to add fuel to the fire BUT Cam holds onto the ball an average of 3.04 seconds before he throws, is sacked or starts scrambling. That's the third longest time in the NFL. Only Vick and Wilson hold onto the ball for longer. Last year he held onto it for 3.09 seconds.

If he does throw, then it takes on average 2.72 seconds for him to make the throw (third longest). However If he is sacked it means he held onto the ball on average 3.52 seconds (11th longest time allowed in NFL). Finally he decides to scramble after 5.46 seconds ( 4th slowest in the NFL).

Basically Cam's decision making is slow, or he is waiting for a long pass route to develop, or his receivers struggle to open quickly. Cam has just 109 drop backs where he spent less than 2.5 seconds in the pocket that's easily the least amount in the NFL. He hasn't been sacked once in that time. All his sacks have come when he has held onto the ball for longer than 2.5 seconds.

The good news is that ths is something that should improve with experience.

#1996653 Calm down about Cam

Posted by Urrymonster on 12 November 2012 - 03:44 PM

Natural to over react after the game yesterday, but here is some food for thought.

Against Denver, when Cam was not pressured:
27 drop backs
Completed 19 of 26 passes (73.1%)
225 yards (8.7/attempt)
2 touchdowns to 1 interception
108.7 QB rating

When Cam was pressured:
18 drop backs
Completed 2 of 10 passes (20%)
16 yards (1.6/attempt)
0 TDs to 1 interception
0.0 QB rating

At the time of watching I felt that Cam was playing pretty poorly, but he was pressured on 40% of plays, not sure many QBs can play well under that pressure. Some were on him, some on the play called, some on the wide receivers and some on the blocking up front. The point is though that Cam can very much do the job when he has a pocket to work in. This is representative of his season so far, although has has made progressive improvement this season when he has time to throw. Interestingly he faired better against the blitz, suggesting that when our front 5 struggle with the opposing DLine, then we are in trouble. Big time.

For those saying he holds onto the ball too long would cry murder for him throwing into coverage rather than taking the sack. He does at times hold on for too long, but it really isn't all on him. Cam really needs to use his check downs more and perhaps struggles to identify where pressure is coming from, but that is something that comes with experience.

#1978024 I am right, most of YOU are wrong...and the zone read is STILL a Red Herring

Posted by Urrymonster on 04 November 2012 - 08:18 AM

Then what is the problem ?
Why do I feel like the OP is trolling...

Because the answer isn't as simple as people want to think it is. I'm not saying that the zone read isn't an issue and it is reliable enough, just that people are refusing to even consider that it's not the only problem and that we have had success this year using - moreso than standard running plays.

#1977992 I am right, most of YOU are wrong...and the zone read is STILL a Red Herring

Posted by Urrymonster on 04 November 2012 - 07:36 AM

To all those saying that the zone read is boom or bust in the run game - hasn't that always been the way of our regular running game???

The very nature of averages suggests that over the course of a game we will average 5 yards a carry, so run that 3 times in a row and in theory we would get the first down every time.

I'm not sure why everyone is completely ignoring the statistics here and entertaining that quite possibly the play calling isn't as black and white as people want to believe.

#1977968 I am right, most of YOU are wrong...and the zone read is STILL a Red Herring

Posted by Urrymonster on 04 November 2012 - 02:48 AM

Despite the gifs this is an interesting post. I wonder if we can get hold of our passing performance out of it, as that would tell the whole picture.

I would guess the results are fairly boom or bust out of this however it does contrast to most people's impressions of it - hence the reaction. If the info about cams success in play action based passing relates to the read option as I suspect it does, then it is actually - by far - our most successful formation.

Bizarre really.

To jt, just because you don't like Tony, doesn't mean this information is any less worthwhile. It is quite eye opening to be honest...

#1977317 Could Byron Bell be a franchise Left Tackle some day?

Posted by Urrymonster on 03 November 2012 - 02:38 PM

Read an interesting article today about this very switch.

It may surprise people but switching from one side to the other is a very tough ask for a player to make. According to current OLinemen in the NFL it's much easier to switch to guard than to move from LT to RT or vice versa. So any switch should be very carefully considered to avoid completely ruining one or two players progression.

For the record, gross is playing just fine in both the running and passing game. We don't really need to start grooming a player yet, he should still have several years in the league and when he does wind down just get a first round pick, as they have very high success rates over the last 5 or so years. Gross remains our best lineman in both the passing and running game and has been since he moved to LT.

#1977303 The impact of play action on our offense

Posted by Urrymonster on 03 November 2012 - 02:26 PM

we'd be running it more if we weren't running the read option so much. it's very easy to defend when you expect it and i don't care who you have running the ball.

fwiw, i just saw this:

we aren't running an offense that works (at least we weren't until last week), instead, chud is running an offense that he likes. that's a dangerous decision to make.

Our run game isn't impacting our success in the passing game though. Even though our running game is struggling, Cam is performing really well when we use play action. The issue is when he is doing any other kind of passing play where there is no threat of a run. At the moment he just can't make throws against a defence ready to defend him passing it.

#1977295 The impact of play action on our offense

Posted by Urrymonster on 03 November 2012 - 02:21 PM

Imagine if we could run the ball better

Indeed, play action would be very profitable for us. That said, Cam is already performing great out of play action so the lack of running game isn't impacting him. It's when teams know that we aren't running that he struggles mightily.

When we show the intent to run, Cam excels. In plays where there is no option of a run, bar Cam scrambling, then he is the worst in the league.

#1977289 The impact of play action on our offense

Posted by Urrymonster on 03 November 2012 - 02:08 PM

I've been digging around in www.profootballfocus.com a bit more to find out some intriguing nuggets of info. What is interesting is the impact of the play action on our passing game. While there is a form of play fake with the read option, i am unsure if they they are recording it as a play action play. Considering this they have recorded us as having performed 69 play action drop backs compared to 174 non play action drop backs, which is the third highest percentage in the NFL. What is more telling though is the impact with and without the play action.

With the play action Cam has achieved the following:
* 68.8% completion - 6th highest in the NFL
* 10.9 yards per attempt - 5th highest in the NFL
* 102.1 QB rating - 13th highest in the NFL
* 2 TDs to 2 Ints

Without the play action Cam has achieved the following:
* 52% completion - 32nd in the NFL (last)
* 6.8 yards per attempt - 17th in the NFL
* 63.6 QB rating - 32nd in the NFL (last)
* 3 TDs to 6 Ints

It's quite amazing to see Cam as one of the leagues best when he is using the play action, then fall to statistically the worst in the league when there is no play fake involved.

Across the entire data set yards and QB ratings are universally down, although some QBs clearly perform better without the play action (Aaron Rodgers for example). In contrast there isn't a huge disparity between accuracy percentages with 21 QBs above 60% for both the with and without the play action.

What does this mean for Cam and the Panthers? Well it is concerning to see quite how much Cam has struggled without any deception to pull players out of their coverages. Clearly he is having issues with either the increased pressure the normal drop backs are bringing or he is struggling to read the coverages and make the right choice with the ball. However it is equally concerning that our coaches aren't using more (traditional) play action plays to help him out. RGIII has an extra 20 drop backs over Cam. However it could suggest why much of the play calling is designed to create confusion in the defence because Cam is struggling mightily when he doesn't have that help. For Cam to be considered one of the best passer's in the league, it's the passing without play action which seems to separate the perennial post season QBs from the regular season stat padders.

Anyway, would be interesting to see other people's takes on this.