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#2736977 The Bundy Ranch

Posted by Datawire on 11 April 2014 - 10:01 PM

What is your opinion?

 

Quarantined to free speech areas?

 

 

 

Here is detailed information to get you up to speed for those that are unaware, directly from a Nevada resident.

 

 

Nevada is over 90% federal land. When the state was carved out right at the end of the civil war, Lincoln, (the worst constitutional president in our history prior to the current one) made sure that all the states entering would bow down to the the fed and our state constitution and the great amount of federal land reflects that.

Since most of the state is desert, ranchers have always had to use tremendous acreage to feed cattle here. Our state was brought into the union around 1865. Prior to that, and after that, up till 1934 ranchers had legal free reign to graze cattle with no restrictions. This was called forage rights.

In the 1930's the ranchers had arguments between themselves regarding territories. So a few of the larger ones got together and asked the fed if they could hire them, by paying minimal fees to "manage" the land and break it out into sections. This was made into the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934.

The fees are minimal. $1.74 per cow & calf per month. Ranchers had no problem paying that just to have disagreements settled.

Ranchers were also required to secure water rights and maintain and make improvements on the land. Mr. Bundy and his predecessors have always done that. No one is arguing that fact.

Bundy's ranch was established in 1877. His family purchased it later, in the 1880's. But when they did, they had to PAY for the water and forage rights.

After the 1934 act they continued to pay grazing fees and make improvements up until the 1990's.

Somewhere along the way the Bureau of Land Management was created. I don't know what year.

Around 1990 or so they told him that he could no longer graze more than 150 of his 600 or so head of cattle there.

He told them to pound sand and kept paying his fees and grazing his cattle.

Around 1994 they told him he could only graze them in the summer, fall and winter and said it was so that the cattle didn't disturb the Desert Tortoise. (more on that later)

He told them that they were HIRED by the Taylor Grazing act to MANAGE the land for the ranchers. So he FIRED them and started paying his fees to to the state of Nevada. Soon they didn't know where to put it so they quit taking payments.

Meanwhile they came at him from another angle. When they saw they weren't going to be able to force him off the land the BLM SOLD the rights to the land to the state of Nevada under the condition that the state RETIRE the grazing rights permanently. Nevada legislators, being idiots, did their bidding. That was around 1996 or so.

But the state left him alone and let him forage all those years.

A few years ago, due to Agenda 21, Ranchers around the nation were being shut down and either bought out (with a program that paid them a lump sum of YOUR taxpayer funds in exchange for quitting ranching.

A lot of them did. The program was touted as "optional" but they intimidated the ranchers with lawsuits ranging from environmental concerns to water concerns to endangered species.

Before all this there were 50 ranchers in Clark County Nevada. Now there is one. Cliven Bundy.

For 20 years they tried to remove another rancher, Mr Hage, from a neighboring county. The sheriff of that county came to his aid and told the feds to screw off. They threatened the sheriff with a swat team and he told them to bring it on, he had his own swat team. The feds screwed up with Mr Hage though. They made it a water rights issue and after 20 years, about a year after he died, they lost in court.

Now they don't play the water rights card anymore because it is too cut and dry. They now play the environmental card because they can make up the rules and change them whenever they like.

This is what they have done with Bundy. Everytime he gets where he can win, they change the laws and he loses in court.

So now it is about the Desert Tortoise. This is an animal the BLM had a habitat for, but when they ran out of money to run the habitat they slaughtered 1800 of them. Miraculously they now claim they have mysteriously found 3 million dollars that they are paying to round up and steal Bundy's cattle. They are paying the slimy for hire private cowboys 1 million of that.

So now they have a court order to take his cattle and auction them.

The sheriffs of nearby counties have stated that they will stop them along the way and make them produce a signed agreement from Bundy or they will confiscate the cattle and give them back. That only leaves them one route out, straight down through Clark County to Arizona or California. I believe they are already auctioning off any of the ones they found that were not branded even though it is common knowledge they are his because he is the only rancher there. There isn't much the sheriffs can do about that.

When this happened in neighboring counties and in other states the sheriffs backed the ranchers up. Our Sheriff is a spineless puss of a half-man and refuses to get involved. I assume the only way he will get involved is if he hears the BLM rangers shooting civilians and sends his guys up to help out of jealousy of all the fun they are having. We have the most corrupt and worthless police department in the country.

To make matters worse, I spoke to the lesser of two evils running for Sheriff this time around yesterday at a luncheon and asked him why they weren't helping. He answered that from his understanding Bundy was just a guy who wouldn't pay his fees and he didn't think they should get involved. He knew nothing of the Taylor Grazing act or any of the history of Bundy's rights to graze. Great, replacing a worthless bag of skin for sheriff with another worthless bag of skin. We can't win.

So now they are using helicopters to round up his cattle and try to take them to auction. He claims he has about 500 head, they say 900. Probably because they don't know that the Taylor Grazing act counts a cow and a calf as one head. They are stressing the cattle and some of them are dying in the chase. That is why they brought in backhoes and dump trucks.

The people in the video above were trying to block them on private land before they got to public lands and were tazed and thrown to the ground.

The BLM has set up "free speech zones" for people to protest. Two 50x50 pig pens for them to stand in. But they can only use one of them at a time.

Bundy's son was arrested day before yesterday when he pulled over on a STATE road where he could see the valley and take pictures of the way they were treating the cattle.

They threw him down to the ground, ground his head in the dirt with their boots, and took him to Henderson jail, then to the federal building. Eventually they gave him a ticket for protesting outside the "free speech zone" and "resisting arrest". They let him go 80 miles away in Las Vegas with no money. He had a credit card which he used to trade some gas at a gas station for use of a lady's cell phone, to get someone to pick him up.

Yesterday they arrested a few more protesters for being outside the "free speech zone".

Militias from all over the nation are being called up to come to Nevada. People are flying and driving in from everywhere. This is the first time in our history where men from all over the country have been willing to come together to fight against the federal government. If this had happened at Waco, our entire country would be different today.

Politicians are afraid to say much. The republicans don't want to say anything because he lost in federal court and that's all that matters to those scumbags. The Democrats don't care so much about the courts as they lavish in the idea that a fat rich rancher and destroyer of the environment is getting what he deserves.

The libertarians are all that's left. And he has a LOT of support from Sheriffs and Oath Keepers. (other than our bag of skin)

The bottom line is the Feds want all ranching stopped. They are doing it on federal lands first, then will do it on private lands based on the new definitions in the clean water act. It's an Agenda 21 implementation. It wouldn't matter if he paid fees from here to kingdom come, they want him shut down and they will try any angle they can. He stated that after reading their plans to retire all the land for grazing he refused to finance his own demise by giving them fees. I'm with him 100%. And apparently so are thousands of others willing to come here.

 

 

Liberal or Conservative It doesn't matter. Sometimes a spark doesn't start a fire directly, it can happen in the atmosphere around it. This is no joking matter in my opinion.




#2309456 Back up and running....

Posted by Datawire on 02 August 2013 - 09:34 PM

Why are you obsessed with me?

I already told you to block me, but instead you try to talk sh*t without even quoting me?

Oh I think I know why... You're one of those children that has no friends and gets off to how much pie he can get, so he elects to make fun of people to try and get the job done...

Sound about right?

 

Want me to fug his mom?




#2300040 Panthers @ Bills

Posted by Datawire on 26 July 2013 - 06:55 AM

I'll be there. Flight is booked and tickets already purchased two months ago! Got a party van driving us all to and from the venue out of Rochester, It's going to be a hell of a weekend.




#2297966 Smoking...

Posted by Datawire on 24 July 2013 - 03:35 PM

good luck man, you will need it.

 

If you cant quit cold turkey then I urge you to go vapor its so much better then smoking and none of the consequences that cancer sticks have

 

I have lost count but I am going on 90 days smoke free with the aid of these devices. I am with you jasonluckydog, this is the way to go. I have helped get no lest than six people off those burners by vaping. Two of them smokers for 20+ yrs.

 

My sense of smell has improved, taste buds have changed (still changing), not to mention the amount of money I am NOT spending anymore. Also I am finding myself using the vape less and less. Of course, I want to quit completey and I am on the road to success.

 

Trying the butterscotch at the moment. It's pretty damn good! Have you tried the Evod BCC tanks yet? Dude, those are kick ass.




#2251327 Your reaction when you saw "DA KRAKEN" thread, in glorious gifs

Posted by Datawire on 05 June 2013 - 06:52 PM

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#2247575 Ban Canines of mass destruction.....NOW

Posted by Datawire on 01 June 2013 - 12:40 AM

to

this is actually a question i'm interested in exploring. i've heard impassioned rages by both sides but never anything approaching a rational dialogue on it.

 

It's rational to think if you take a historicaly feral animal of any breed and type then decide to force it into a domestic environment, you're eventually going to have a bad time.




#2247446 Republicans' claims are far more likely than Democrats' to be rated f...

Posted by Datawire on 31 May 2013 - 09:26 PM

Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick!

 

Your source sucks! No! Your source sucks!!

 

I need a citation to believe it! No, I need a citation to back up your claim! Well, your citation is biased and it sucks!

 

Goddamnit it people, does anyone have real conversations with merrit anymore? It's as if everyone is a fuging liar until someone pulls some biased citation or article out of their ass to try to convince another that their citation means something more than the others in hopes common ground will be found.

 

Holy poo I just gave myself a headache writing that.

 

Side bar: Your citations sucks.

 

 




#2247432 Boston Bomber's friend didn't have a knife and was killed execution s...

Posted by Datawire on 31 May 2013 - 09:05 PM

I never said they were infallible. I am not a huge fan in general of police.

This doesn't mean that I scream conspiracy every five minutes though.

Like I said in my previous post, this is a horrible job at a cover up if these accusations here are true.

 

I apologize if my post seemed directed at you, it wasn't my intent.

 

I remember my lawyer telling me somthing years ago. He told me, if you ever have any type of interaction with police or the like. SHUT THE fug UP! Do not say a word, they are not there to help you and they are not your friends.

 

Anything you say can and will be held agaisnt you. And they fuging mean it.




#2247431 Free Pie...

Posted by Datawire on 31 May 2013 - 09:00 PM

I clicked on this thread expecting a coupon or something. Very disappointed.

 

Have some pie anyway friend.




#2243871 Quitting Smoking tomorrow after 6 years.

Posted by Datawire on 28 May 2013 - 11:27 AM

Glad to see I'm not the only one kicking the habit.

 

Day 26 smoke free for me today. And I have NOT spent over $250 on those things since then and it feels damn good!

 

 

 




#2057038 NY Governor: Weapon Confiscation is an option...

Posted by Datawire on 21 December 2012 - 07:39 PM

Kind of like "activist judges"


Are you referring to the the judges that allow repeat offenders and felons out of prison time and time again. The majority with a recidivism rate through the roof that allow criminals back into the public to steal guns and commit murder? Which in return adds to the 'statistics' of gun violence in America?


#2029946 Bob Costas is a Troll

Posted by Datawire on 03 December 2012 - 07:39 PM

I compared the current state of illegal drugs to the conceivable idea that some have of banning or passing additional laws will alleviate or drastically deter gun violence. Nothing more.

People that get illegal drugs do so because they can, just like anyone with a criminal record (or not) that wants to aquire a firearm for violent purposes. Know anyone with a bag of weed and rolling papers on a plate slid under their couch? How is that law working out? It's illegal. Yet the war on drugs is a tremendous failure.

Foot note: I also think drugs should be decriminalized.


#2029863 Bob Costas is a Troll

Posted by Datawire on 03 December 2012 - 06:47 PM

Gun control will solve absolutely nothing.

Drugs are illegal, yet people get them every single day. Explain that one.

Do you know anyone that can't get illegal drugs if they want to? I don't.

New laws involving guns will only handicap the responsible gun owners. Criminals or would be crimiinals will get guns just as easily as someone getting illegal drugs. Hell, they are already doing it with the current laws we already have. Do you think someone that has ill intent with a weapon, specifically a firearm, gives two shits about what laws are on the books? The answer is no. And you think new laws will magically make them come to their senses? C'mon man.


#1999364 Stop making alts

Posted by Datawire on 14 November 2012 - 10:50 AM

so whose alt is this?


No alt, sorry to dissapoint.

I am just happy to see some of the trash being taken out.


#1980549 Anyone have a gif of Luke Kuechly end of the game celebration?

Posted by Datawire on 04 November 2012 - 05:41 PM

I'd love to see a gif of Bob getting flipped over like three times on that play late in the fourth.


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