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TheRed

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In Topic: Julio Jones didn't practice again today

Yesterday, 10:32 AM

How anyone can say they would rather try to win by "playing for a field goal" is beyond me at this point.

 

The one season where our staff actually had some balls, and coached to win, we won the division and went to the playoffs.

 

As for the other three seasons, you see what "playing for a field goal" got us then don't you? Losing records, and waiting for the draft.

 

Stop settling for mediocrity.


In Topic: Huddle question: Do they pay Cam next year?

18 December 2014 - 09:15 AM

I disagree.  Newton has been 100% healthy for most of his career.  He has had decent lines and decent weapons.  He has had some great games, and some games where he should have been pulled.  He is inconsistent because he has no identity as a QB and his mechanics are terrible while his athleticism is incredible.  I am not impressed by a qb leading his team in rushing.  I am not impressed by a qb holding the ball for 5 seconds and taking a sack.  I am impressed with his arm, his size, and his charisma.  He has the tools.  He is not there yet.  If you have to make excuses for him, you are not either.

 

Tell me, do we have to build a great team around Cam to make him great, or is it the other way around?  I told you before that Ian Rappaport reported that Cam's camp wanted him to be paid like an elite qb.  I even shared the link with you.  Now you are saying I am the only one saying $120m. How much do you think elite QBs make?   You missed the point again. 

 

Here is my point, but many on here have to make it black and white to understand it.  We don't know how good he can be.  While a QB like Andrew Luck makes everyone around him better, evidenced by taking a 2-14 team to three straight 10+ seasons, Cam faithful claim that Cam needs talent around him to step up., Just because you claim that he has no talent around him, that does not mean he will be great when he does.  In fact, the paradox is this--if that is the case, how good is he? 

 

This is a cyclical argument and I don't care that you are determined to get me to see your "logic."  I don't buy it.  Against New Orleans, Cam was terrific--elite, in fact. However, to reach that level of play, he had to run.  Remember when he was hit and we all thought he wasn't getting up?  He got up smiling.  Still, he is already--at age 25--started showing the signs of the beating he has taken.  Cam needs to learn to stay in the pocket if he is to survive.  There is no way I pay him elite money if he has to run and be surrounded by superior talent to win.  The math is simple. 

 

Eh, I've seen the claim by Rapoport, but it's unconfirmed and still speculation. That means squat basically.

 

Why do you keep attempting to inject Andrew Luck into this conversation?

 

Have you even looked at their numbers the first few years? Newton has been right there with Luck, if anything they've been pretty close.

 

Indianapolis has constantly built around Luck, since they drafted him. You brought his name into this before, and I pointed out the facts of this to you, and you immediately ignored it. I don't know if you are just that hard headed, or you just want to trolll, but it's getting silly.

 

You have made some points, but they are so wrapped up in a clear lack of understanding and bias that you cannot even see past.

 

To be clear, I stated in this another thread with you, Newton does have things he needs to work on still, but they are easily correctable, and should be so this offseason. But we desperately need to pair him with the right coaches who understand how to develop him.

 

This staff has been more focused on getting by on his athletic ability than maximizing the talent that he possesses.


In Topic: Huddle question: Do they pay Cam next year?

17 December 2014 - 10:39 PM

.  Your argument reveals inconsistent performance.  You say Cam was great behind the OLINE during weeks 1-6 and he was "killing it from the pocket" (by the way, there were 9 QBs with higher qb ratings during Cam's hot streak) but then you blame the OLINE because he dropped off statistically. That makes no sense.  It reveals that you give Cam credit for his success but blame his shortcomings on others--no wonder you have trouble making points.

 

Frankly, I am tired of having selective stats thrown at me from obscure sources to prove to me that Cam is great.  My point is this--he has not proven he can win consistently and he has shown that his style of play leads to lingering injuries.  He needs to run to win.  These facts are consistent with his record as a qb. The NFL QB is measured by wins and losses. There are not many great qbs on bad teams and there are not many great teams with bad qbs.  They are connected, which is why great QBs are measured by rings.  Nobody measures greatness by a six-game stretch where a qb has a hot streak according to some website.  Your argument is embarrassing.

 

Cam has all the tools and may be great with more support.  However, he has not earned a top contract given to elite qbs because he is not elite at this time--even if PFF thinks so.  I pray he will be, and I am excited about his potential when we put studs and stars around him, but he is what he is right now.  Giving him $120 million or so could wreck the franchise if he does not improve and become more consistent.  It is a huge gamble, and if you do not see it, you are biased.  I want him to be great, but if you are crowning him the MVP, you don't understand this game.

 

It is incredibly foolish to simply throw out all of Newton's success and judge him solely on this season, a season in which just about every single player on this team has struggled at some point. You cannot just omit all of the contributing factors and say "welp, we can't pay him".

 

Give Newton the offseason to get 100%.

 

Shore up the OL, and get some fresh ideas in here for this offense, if that means a new OC, then do it. Shula isn't cutting it.

 

Nobody but you is talking about throwing $120 million at him right now.
 


In Topic: "The Interview" cancelled

17 December 2014 - 10:28 PM

Where was this outrage when Team America World Police hit theaters?

 

That fat little pansy over there needs to change his diaper.


In Topic: GDT: Suns vs Bobcats

17 December 2014 - 09:30 PM

Welp, back to watching Guardians of the Galaxy. Green Zoe Saldana is better than this bullshit all day everyday.


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