loads of people on this site claim no rookie can come in and contribute as much as #89, just proving that is bs.
I would love to see it, but those are different offenses. Nobody here had 1,000 yards receiving last year, it wasn't just Steve. If we don't get the OL shored up, and Shula doesn't turn things around, particularly in the red zone, it's not not gonna matter much who we bring in at receiver.
Yeah I just found out about Boldin. That's true. I didn't see anything on him resigning until today.
I'm not hung up on the money we're spending on a number 1 receiver. My issue is.....we're dedicating 7 mil this year (plus incentives?) to an aging injured vet coming off one of his most disappointing years. I would rather take that same money and spent it on a bigger, faster, younger receiver. I can't be that dumb since Gettleman seems to feel the same thing in essence.
I feel like you're trying to put words in my mouth to an extent and argue against things I've never said. I've never said we can get a realistic replacement for 2 mil a year? Please find my quote where I said that and quote it back so I can reference it and apologize to you if I have.
I do have an issue with how much Smith makes relative to his production this past season coupled with variables X: His age. Y: His knee. Z: His documented negative influence in the locker room.
Perhaps even if only two of those three variables existed I could get on board.
TheRed I'm sorry if I have attacked you a little. Seems to be our huddle's relationship dynamic we share. That's all in fun.
I do understand what your arguments are and off season football roster speculation is subjective and your a good loyal fan. I just think that with the new CBA and the amount of talent that is available coming out of college these days if a GM wants to build a consistently winning team then he needs to make roster evaluations and decisions like a cold blooded reptile. It's not that GMAN shouldn't work on his verbage, and be more complimentary of his players in public....he probably learned his lesson.
But when it gets down to brass tax and behind-closed-door decisions...then he needs to be emotionless and not give in to public demand.
I guarantee you if Smith is let go it means that Nicks in on the way. He might already have a verbal with Nicks. Just because a replacement isn't technically on the roster now....doesn't mean there isn't one lined up.
I haven't gotten any feeling that you were trying to attack me. no worries. Just engaging with you, I can tell that you are clearly knowledgeable. I don't agree with some of the things that you have said about Steve Smith, but that's just the way things go on a message board.
I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, but speaking on the real possibility of what options we would be looking at if we cut Steve.
Now on the salary, I do agree that reworking his deal would obviously be the most optimal solution, whether he wants to still remains to be seen. As far as who we would replace him with, I just feel that if the goal is to go younger, it should also be to go a little cheaper.
I'm not against bringing in Nicks, if we did it for the right price I would be okay with it. But for me, it wouldn't be on the premise that he is coming in to replace Steve Smith. Just as you are concerned about Steve's recent injury, I am the same for Nicks ability to stay healthy.
Regardless of what happens with Steve, in this years draft we have to address WR. Our inability to draft one is why we are here. I've been generally happy with everything Gettleman has done so far, all I've said is that he should be a little more careful in speaking to the media.
Anyone arguing about the run/pass ratio changing drastically didn't pay attention. We went from 51% passing to 49%. A difference of about 1 pass a game. If you want a scary stat, Lafell averaged over a yard more per catch than Smith. Olsen had over 120 more yards after the catch them Smith and even Lafell had 80 more yards.
There is definitely a difference between Mike Shula's offense, and Rob Chudzinksi's. Our passing game was certainly different.
You also have to factor in that Steve Smith missed most of the Saints game in Charlotte, and the Falcons game in Atlanta.
By the way, in that Atlanta game without Steve Smith on the field, Lafell had zero yards.
Difference is that Olsen is a TE making less money putting up better numbers. His YPC are on par with TEs. Either way when you start justifying Smith's numbers to a TE who had better numbers.....it means he shouldn't be number 1.
If he was willing to take a cut and be a good teammate, fine let him stay. But he's not, so bye Steve.
Well that's where we keep getting hung up. You keep going back to how much he's being paid, but then want to sign guys for that amount, or even more. We all know that our salary cap situation isn't exactly the best, it's workable of course, but it's not desirable right now.
If Gettleman decides to part ways with Steve Smith, I just don't see it very likely that he goes out here and signs a high price FA receiver.
By the way, you brought up Boldin just a few posts ago, he already signed another contract with San Francisco.
Yep....not being able to find a 2nd WR EVER in the Hurney-era is absolutely haunting us.
I agree losing Steve is more than losing a WR. There's no question. That's why it's up to the big boys to determine if releasing Steve does more good (adding FAs, possible long-term WR solution) or more harm (team morale, fans irate) overall.
There's no easy answer or obvious solution either way....
Just another point here though, I disagree with those who feel Steve Smith is done. He's only one season removed from 1,000 yards receiving. In the right offense, he'd still be lethal. I know we all want a playmaker in here, but any guy we bring in is going to be hard pressed to put up huge numbers in this Mike Shula offense. He's gotta make some changes to our offense this offseason.