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#3142606 Julio Jones didn't practice again today

Posted by TheRed on 19 December 2014 - 10:32 AM

How anyone can say they would rather try to win by "playing for a field goal" is beyond me at this point.


The one season where our staff actually had some balls, and coached to win, we won the division and went to the playoffs.


As for the other three seasons, you see what "playing for a field goal" got us then don't you? Losing records, and waiting for the draft.


Stop settling for mediocrity.

#3141467 Huddle question: Do they pay Cam next year?

Posted by TheRed on 18 December 2014 - 09:15 AM

I disagree.  Newton has been 100% healthy for most of his career.  He has had decent lines and decent weapons.  He has had some great games, and some games where he should have been pulled.  He is inconsistent because he has no identity as a QB and his mechanics are terrible while his athleticism is incredible.  I am not impressed by a qb leading his team in rushing.  I am not impressed by a qb holding the ball for 5 seconds and taking a sack.  I am impressed with his arm, his size, and his charisma.  He has the tools.  He is not there yet.  If you have to make excuses for him, you are not either.


Tell me, do we have to build a great team around Cam to make him great, or is it the other way around?  I told you before that Ian Rappaport reported that Cam's camp wanted him to be paid like an elite qb.  I even shared the link with you.  Now you are saying I am the only one saying $120m. How much do you think elite QBs make?   You missed the point again. 


Here is my point, but many on here have to make it black and white to understand it.  We don't know how good he can be.  While a QB like Andrew Luck makes everyone around him better, evidenced by taking a 2-14 team to three straight 10+ seasons, Cam faithful claim that Cam needs talent around him to step up., Just because you claim that he has no talent around him, that does not mean he will be great when he does.  In fact, the paradox is this--if that is the case, how good is he? 


This is a cyclical argument and I don't care that you are determined to get me to see your "logic."  I don't buy it.  Against New Orleans, Cam was terrific--elite, in fact. However, to reach that level of play, he had to run.  Remember when he was hit and we all thought he wasn't getting up?  He got up smiling.  Still, he is already--at age 25--started showing the signs of the beating he has taken.  Cam needs to learn to stay in the pocket if he is to survive.  There is no way I pay him elite money if he has to run and be surrounded by superior talent to win.  The math is simple. 


Eh, I've seen the claim by Rapoport, but it's unconfirmed and still speculation. That means squat basically.


Why do you keep attempting to inject Andrew Luck into this conversation?


Have you even looked at their numbers the first few years? Newton has been right there with Luck, if anything they've been pretty close.


Indianapolis has constantly built around Luck, since they drafted him. You brought his name into this before, and I pointed out the facts of this to you, and you immediately ignored it. I don't know if you are just that hard headed, or you just want to trolll, but it's getting silly.


You have made some points, but they are so wrapped up in a clear lack of understanding and bias that you cannot even see past.


To be clear, I stated in this another thread with you, Newton does have things he needs to work on still, but they are easily correctable, and should be so this offseason. But we desperately need to pair him with the right coaches who understand how to develop him.


This staff has been more focused on getting by on his athletic ability than maximizing the talent that he possesses.

#3141089 GDT: Suns vs Bobcats

Posted by TheRed on 17 December 2014 - 09:18 PM

What, a Steve Clifford coached team pissing away another fourth quarter? Why this can't be.

#3140878 Bears benching Cutler, starting Clausen

Posted by TheRed on 17 December 2014 - 07:10 PM

Clausen is going to get mauled behind that OL. Geez.

#3140789 Ok, now I want to see the movie.

Posted by TheRed on 17 December 2014 - 06:16 PM

Terrible precedent being set here.

#3140543 Taints fan shoves Chicago Bears Chairman at Soldier Field

Posted by TheRed on 17 December 2014 - 02:34 PM

After Brees and Payton are gone, you'll be lucky to find a "lifelong" (since 2006) Saints fan anywhere.

#3140539 Wednesday Cam Update: He Throws.

Posted by TheRed on 17 December 2014 - 02:30 PM

Im no expert, but he just doesn't look like he is using his full throwing motion...I think he stays out.


I agree.. Please tell me that isnt his full throwing motion... Its like he doesnt step into his throws at all. The only one that looked half way normal was the last throw on the video, and even that didnt looked suspect.




Isn't this the first time he has practiced since the accident? Also, keyword here being "practice".


There may be a bit of over-analyzing going on here....


Regardless, I don't think he absolutely has to play versus Cleveland, DA can handle it. But if the doctors clear him, let him play.

#3140397 Wednesday Cam Update: He Throws.

Posted by TheRed on 17 December 2014 - 12:51 PM

I will await the full video, and promptly climax.

#3140379 The Warren Commission has been vindicated!

Posted by TheRed on 17 December 2014 - 12:42 PM

Sounds like the weapon Gary Oldman's character had on "The Fifth Element".

#3140320 Couple things on the Stew fumble play.....

Posted by TheRed on 17 December 2014 - 12:04 PM

Why Bell alone? Which of the linemen are bulldozing anyone? See the guy who recovered the fumble? That was Kalil's block.

Maybe if Kalil was worth a spill of beans, he will hold his block long enough for a panther to recover the ball.


Blaming Ryan Kalil for Bell's failure, seriously?


Byron is a good guy, but that doesn't mean we are going to ignore how awful he has been as a starter for us.


LT should be a priority this offseason. The Byron Bell project should be over. Period.

#3140259 Couple things on the Stew fumble play.....

Posted by TheRed on 17 December 2014 - 11:21 AM

Bell is a backup at best. Not anything we don't already know.

#3139361 When Your QB Knows More Than Your OC

Posted by TheRed on 16 December 2014 - 02:16 PM

I do not need to add legitimacy to anything.  I know what happened....and I have NEVER cared what the likes of a person like you think or believe. 


Oh, this line again.


You've amassed nearly 20,000 posts on a football message board. I would say that you definitely care somewhat. We all do.

#3139353 Huddle question: Do they pay Cam next year?

Posted by TheRed on 16 December 2014 - 02:12 PM

And what is your definition of "paid well"? Luke, in likelihood, will be the highest paid MLB ever. To think otherwise is asinine.


MLB yes, but you mentioned Watt, who is a DE, which prompted my response.


Your right on lukes personality but you forget he is reigning DPOY and he has an agent. He's likely to get the highest LB salary going.


I don't disagree with that.

#3139342 When Your QB Knows More Than Your OC

Posted by TheRed on 16 December 2014 - 02:07 PM

1.  I never questioned Cam's football IQ nor did I say he could not read defenses


2.  I said that one of the ex coaches who lived in my neighborhood made a comment that Cam struggled to read defenses and that is why he was not allowed to audible as much....but that was his rookie season.


3.  Making input on a play call from the sideline (before the defense sets up) is NOT reading a defense.  It is however an indication that Cam did his homework and had good input on likely tendancies by the Bucs during certain scenarios....which is a very good thing.


However, making the leap that the OP did based on one completed pass is rididulous.  Just like it would have been ridiculous if it has not worked and someone pointed to that ONE instance as proof that Cam did not know what he was doing.


Thanks for playing though....you are ALWAYS entertaining.


Are you really trying to add legitimacy to the "my neighbor told me Cam can't read defenses, it's true guys" story again?

#3139269 When Your QB Knows More Than Your OC

Posted by TheRed on 16 December 2014 - 01:22 PM

In one thread CelibatePimp will be practically tripping over himself to talk up Newton.


In the next he will be the only guy trying to convince you that Newton doesn't know poo.



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