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#3334095 Future Splash Brothers in Charlotte - Curry, Hairston ?

Posted by cbarrier90 on Yesterday, 03:19 PM

I don't like the fact that this thread and threads like it exist, mostly because i don't think it's right to Monsta and other GS fans on here, but the fact is talk like this does exist and will continue to exist especially as we get closer to 2017, and by that point the chatter won't just be from Charlotte fans. So get used to it.


Charlotte folks are talking about it right now because the idea of acquiring Steph is literally the only ray of hope for this team to be a contender right now after we royally FUBAR'd this rebuilding process and continued to be the mediocre franchise that we are. Beaten down by bad luck and worse management, it's the only thing we have to hang our hats on right now (that and MKG's defense, but he's injured all the time, and he still can't shoot, and his shooting coach is gone, and...yeah...)


Which reminds me: A loyal, small market beaten down by bad luck and bad management sounds an awful lot like a Golden State franchise that was booing Joe Lacob at Chris Mullin's jersey retirement ceremony only three years ago. GS has rightfully earned the title of one of the most lovable, fun teams of the last few years, but if not for Steph Curry, you've got a franchise history that looks an awful lot like Charlotte's since 1988. I know you understand this, Monsta, but this is for the posts I've seen in here that make it look like the Warriors are the Spurs historically from an organization standpoint.


Which brings me to the present Warriors. By the numbers, a historically great team, probably the favorites to win the championship this season. But much like the Seahawks, they are the beneficiaries of players putting up insane production relative to the salaries they are making this season. Curry signed an extension coming off an ankle injury and it was a gamble that paid off tremendously. He is making 10.6 million this season. Draymond Green was a second round pick and in the last year of his deal, he's making 915k.


By comparison, they are paying less to those two guys this year than the Hornets are paying Kemba Walker and Al Jefferson INDIVIDUALLY next season. That's a historically great bargain, but it ends this season. Will they pay Draymond Green the max deal he's sure to get this offseason, and if they let him walk, what will that mean to the team's performance especially on the defensive end? As great as this Warriors team is, this could be the only year we get to see them perform at this level as the bill comes due on Draymond. There's also no guarantee they even make the finals this season. Have you seen the Western Conference playoffs? It's insane.


Also, regarding the future cap, unfortunately for the Warriors it's not as simple as "pay him whatever he wants." There's a certain salary structure in the NBA, and while they can offer him the highest amount of money possible in free agency, the difference isn't so astronomical that other factors won't come into play in courting him. One of Cho's last redeeming qualities as a general manager is he has structured that cap sheet so Charlotte has a lot of money to play with once the cap jumps up, so (if they're smart) Charlotte should be able to make an offer.

#3334010 Thomas Davis Honors

Posted by cbarrier90 on Yesterday, 01:36 PM

The only problem here is that TD has spent half his career on IR. Being the NFL Man of the year is super special, definitely belongs in the Panthers Ring of Fame but a statue may be a stretch.

Dont want to ruffle feathers, but if he can string together a few more seasons like this past one and stay commited to exemplifying all that one can be as an NFL player, that statue may be forthcoming.

Luke is well on his way to being a Hall of Famer...he's got a better chance of a statue right now.

Sam Mills probably won't be in the Hall of Fame, and even so, his best years were in New Orleans.

The statue honor is even more about off the field stuff than on the field. Sam Mills got that statue because he was the first defensive leader this organization had and led a 2nd year team all the way to the NFCC in 1996. He also made a speech in 2003 that became the Panthers motto. Sam Mills IS the Carolina Panthers.

Thomas Davis used his platform as an NFL player to become Man of the Year and continues to play at a high level despite THREE ACL surgeries. He's probably not going to the Hall of Fame, but he's the closest thing we've had to another Sam Mills.

If Thomas Davis doesn't get a statue, no one should.

#3326253 Draft lottery thread

Posted by cbarrier90 on 18 April 2015 - 07:23 PM

Too funny

Poor Connor


My first thought. Can't win in Edmonton and would get eaten alive in Toronto if he didn't immediately set the world on fire.


On the other hand, glad that Buffalo didn't get it either.

#3323928 Throwing down the gauntlet, at #25 I want one of these three guys

Posted by cbarrier90 on 16 April 2015 - 07:16 PM

I don't know man, this guy was pretty much a unanimous board favorite:


Will be awhile before I get that excited about a draft pick again. The fact that it forced the DT needy Saints to take Vacarro with the next pick made it that much sweeter.

#3323291 Two Weeks from today

Posted by cbarrier90 on 16 April 2015 - 10:43 AM


I second this.

#3322664 Hornets officially locked into 9th worst record

Posted by cbarrier90 on 15 April 2015 - 03:19 PM

Worst 3 point shooting season in NBA history, I hope Lance enjoys that honor it will be a while before that is rivaled I bet.

Speaking of, at some point I am going to post a by-the-numbers stat analysis thread for this season. Probably tomorrow or Friday. My research hasn't went well for us unfortunately....

My favorite: Paul George needs one or two made threes tonight to pass Lances total for the entire season.

#3322115 Hornets officially locked into 9th worst record

Posted by cbarrier90 on 15 April 2015 - 02:53 AM

Some teams don't handle success well.. last year, we sneak in the playoffs in the East, and all of a sudden we are in 'win now' mode.

Look how Gettleman has handled the past 2 years - most teams would have gone on a spending spree after they had a 12-4 season to assure a deep playoff run, awhile mortgaging the future. Especially with the cap jump. But we double down and sign dollar store FAs and still win the division and a playoff game. Then we back it up again with Target brand FAs and are primed to run the NFC south for the forsee able future


Fine post, but there's an important distinction between the two that I'll add: It's not so much that the Hornets and Panthers handle success differently as much as their definition of success in the first place.


The Hornets always had terrible offense, and an uninspiring young core and way too much reliance on role players. With nowhere to go but down for Al Jefferson, they were always destined for a regression. Nonetheless, Cho tries to cash in on something that isn't getting us any closer to a championship by spending in free agency only to make it worse by grabbing ill-fitting players that ultimately sank the ship.


If DG was running the Hornets this season, Al would have been on the trade block immediately after he was deemed healthy, and Nurkic (his replacement) is probably a Hornet. Kemba and Biz would be entering restricted free agency this offseason, while CDR, Tolliver and McBob were brought back to keep the team chemistry up.


Gettleman saw what the rest of us saw in that 49ers game, and that was a well-balanced, deep team going up against one that was a cinderella and needed an influx of young talent after years of misses in the draft had left the cupboard bare. It wasn't easy and his job isn't finished by any means, but he flipped the script and put the Panthers in a position where the young talent is there to (hopefully) be supplemented by key, Tiffany's free agents. You may not agree with how DG runs things, but if you spend any amount of time on this or any other Panthers related site you understand exactly what Dave Gettleman's plan is, and that's at least something you can hang your hat on as a fan.


Cho wanted to make the playoffs, Gettleman wanted to win the Super Bowl. That's the difference.

#3322096 Prospect Meetings By Position. 2015 Edition.

Posted by cbarrier90 on 15 April 2015 - 01:40 AM

I don't know if you were already planning on doing this Ken but I think it'd be neat come draft time if you marked players off the "Big Board" as they are picked so we could follow along and get a sense of where Gettleman might pick as the draft progresses.

#3322079 Hornets officially locked into 9th worst record

Posted by cbarrier90 on 15 April 2015 - 12:33 AM

Cho really should be gone,

Kemba and Biz over Knight, Thompson, Leonard, Faried

MKG over Lillard (okay, this wasn't awful)

Zeller over Noel, Mclemore

Drafting Vonleh and Hairston and allowing your moronic coach to waste the time they could be using to develop but instead use the time to sit them on their ass.


IMO this all goes back to the signing of Al Jefferson and his completely out of the ordinary All-NBA performance last season.


Each of those Hornets players you listed has a role somewhere in the NBA. Kemba is a 6th man, Biz and Cody are rim protectors and energy bigs off the bench and MKG is your defensive anchor on the wing of a contender. Each of them were overdrafted based on what ultimately their careers will end up being, but at least they're not complete washouts.


If you just accumulate lottery talent like that and let it grow together, you're not going to win many games, but you can keep the talent pipeline flowing from drafts with better players and evaluate whether or not the players you drafted before are cut out to be franchise centerpieces (this is a big reason Philly parted ways with MCW and Milwaukee dealt Brandon Knight in the same trade.) The team stays young, energetic, and can grow together as a team and, who knows, maybe even make a playoff run in a bad conference (see this year's Celtics.)


Signing Al Jefferson ended up being a great move for last season and with the rebrand on the way gave folks something to look forward to this season. The problem is by signing Jefferson and having him perform at the unsustainable level he did, we shortened our window considerably and, perhaps even worse, stunted the development of the young players. Cody Zeller had to become Ryan Anderson, MKG and Kemba could no longer drive to the basket, and Biz couldn't get the minutes he needed to develop. The narrative was now "win" and, now armed with cap space, "make a splash," so much so that instead of filling out the roster with role players who would have fit the system when we struck out on Hayward, we signed Lance Stephenson who was an unmitigated disaster. In addition, the "win now" mentality cost us a year in the development of yet another top ten pick in Noah Vonleh.


It's not so much Cho and company's drafting as much as it is their plan. There doesn't seem to be direction here, and a severe disconnect between the coaching staff and the front office. We didn't tank solely to draft Anthony Davis, we tanked to get rid of the irresponsible spending and draft busts of the previous regime and wipe the slate clean. The only problem is we wound up right back here again, and the worst part is it all could have been so easily avoided.

#3320523 Are we setting ourselves up for disappointment with high draft expectations f...

Posted by cbarrier90 on 13 April 2015 - 03:17 PM

Frankly I wish some of you would make one thread a day and keep things fresh.. If I see that "Panthers talk to Greg Jennings" thread on the front page one more time! lol

That's your problem. Making a thread a day doesn't "keep things fresh" when there's nothing to talk about. It just creates useless discussion. This is why ESPN sucks now.

It also doesn't help that your reputation for not bringing anything "fresh" to the table precedes you.

Greg Jennings, Todd Gurley, etc are ongoing Panthers related situations and therefore there is still lots of discussion.

#3319386 Greg Cosell: Todd Gurley "arguably the #1 prospect in this draft"

Posted by cbarrier90 on 12 April 2015 - 02:19 AM

All of those names before 2007, when Adrian Peterson and Marshawn Lynch. You have to go back eight drafts to find a guy who was actually worth a first round pick. You could make an argument for Stew and CJ2K (I wouldn't because I want my 1st rounder to play at a high level for longer than either of them did), but that list is not something I personally want my team to add to.


All this says is since 2007, the talent level hasn't been there to justify taking a RB in the first (not even taking into account those RBs drafted in later years that if re-drafted are surefire firsts: McCoy, Murray, etc.)


That's not the case in this draft.

#3319385 So is the coaching staff here to stay?

Posted by cbarrier90 on 12 April 2015 - 02:12 AM

I think he gets one more season, if the team isn't in the playoff hunt at the trade deadline next season, you'll see a full on fire sale and the team will decided to start over with a new era. not involving the Staals. 


With Eichel and McDavid in the draft, that's what should have happened THIS season, but the Canes managed to play their way right out of striking distance.

#3319368 Greg Cosell: Todd Gurley "arguably the #1 prospect in this draft"

Posted by cbarrier90 on 12 April 2015 - 12:25 AM

Had this fanbase not been burned by the terrible contracts handed out to RBs in the past I'm sure this pick would get a better reception.


We are in a spot where we either catch one of the wide receivers that falls or overvalue what is a very underwhelming group of tackles.


He's a fantastic talent and an absolute steal at 25 if he's there. Hope he is.

#3317121 Update: Charles Tillman signed by Panthers (official)

Posted by cbarrier90 on 09 April 2015 - 03:28 PM

This will be more Florence/Mikell than Cason/Decoud, provided he stays healthy of course.

From all indications, he was the Bears' Thomas Davis in terms of leadership and off the field activity. If a team were to sign a 32 year old linebacker with three ACL surgeries, how would fans of that team with little to no knowledge of the Panthers or TD respond?

The only thing to worry about is if the staff plays him too much over someone better, but even if he is benched, he seems like a player who will gladly take that role of a mentor to a young and aggressive secondary.

#3316447 We're getting smoked. Game thread.

Posted by cbarrier90 on 09 April 2015 - 02:04 AM

Well the franchise has managed to kill all goodwill built up by last seasons team and the rebrand. They are now back to being about as interesting to watch as they were under Mike Dunlap. The rebuild was botched when we started overpaying for mid level players like Stephenson and Jefferson. That's a path to a perpetual 6-7-8 seed at best and a first round playoff loss. Throw in some untimely injuries, extremely questionable coaching and waning motivation and you have the trainwreck that is this years Charlotte Hornets.


What's hilarious is they hired Cho who specifically laid out the plan to tank all because we wanted to avoid this exact scenario after the post-Orlando playoff sweep.


People want to criticize the 76ers for building teams not meant to win, but that's a franchise that from the top-down is committed to a plan and they are sticking to it come hell or high water, and I respect the heck out of them for doing it. Not to mention with all the picks they've accumulated, they could be really interesting going forward. (By the way, their .228 winning percentage so far this year more than doubles Charlotte's 2011-12 team at .106)


I'd rather have a plan and stick to it than whatever just happened, because we wound up right back in no man's land with a capped out roster with a very limited ceiling. What's sad is you could actually see the plan coming together, accumulating lottery talent and growing together over a few years, but they signed Al Jefferson, a move that, when it's all said and done, will prove to be one of the biggest mistakes this team ever made. The rest, as they say, is history.