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#784852 Jarrett says agent discussed trade option with Panthers in the offseason

Posted by Fiz on 30 September 2010 - 07:41 PM

Pretty much.

I still think the only reason he's still on roster is they're hoping someone loses a guy and has a desperate enough need to give up something for him.

In this economy you can find guys to clean toilets anywhere.

#781632 There are rumors that the Panthers are shopping Steve Smith

Posted by Fiz on 29 September 2010 - 08:22 AM

I wonder what happens after 4?

The horses starve.

#777399 Another problem with going young on the eve of a lockout.

Posted by Fiz on 27 September 2010 - 11:47 AM

Generally when you have young players, specifically first year players, the first offseason is absolutely critical to their success.

During the season, there's only so much coaching on technique that you can do. Obviously these guys get a crash course during OTA, ST, and preseason, but you can bet that they're spending more time trying to learn a stripped down version of a playbook that's 20 times what they had in college or trying not to be murdered on the field to worry about things like footwork and timing.

After the first season, that's when they go back and work on these small things that you have to have to excel in the NFL. I'm not exactly sure the details, but you'd have to think that a lockout of the players would include barring them from team facilities and access to coaches and trainers. You'd essentially be losing a year of mental development from them.

It's true there are numerous private workout places where many athletes spend part of their summers, but from what I understand (and I have some buddies who work with the huge on in Atlanta) they focus more on very specific athletic skills, like faster burst or something like that. If you watch this offseason training video of Beason, you can see he's not actually working on any technique, just physical explosiveness.

That leads me to another point. I know a lot of people here aren't exactly into the whole workout thing, but it's really difficult to understand the kind of physical shape these players are in.

Year around, they're on a strictly regimented diet, and the ones that aren't are noticeable. Lendale White, as naturally gifted as he was, refused to do the diet, got nicknamed Lenwhale, and I'm not even sure he's still in the league. Plenty of players have eaten themselves out of the NFL. This diet is handed down to them by the team dietitians.

On top of that, not only are a lot of their groceries subsidized but they have meals provided constantly. This is because they need to eat an absolute poo ton of healthy protein to keep their muscles from deteriorating, and carbs to keep from passing out. That poo ain't cheap.

Secondly, the offseason is when players rebuild muscle mass. They work out obviously during the season, but they're doing everything they can just to maintain mass. January is when they rest, and february is when they get right back at it. Again, this is under the supervision of the team, who, if their trainer is worth a poo, has a very clear and distinct plan for the development of the player.

There are also the private super camps that some athletes choose to take part in, but those are pretty expensive, and believe it or not most NFL players live paycheck to paycheck.

The lockout is going to stunt the younger players physically and mentally. The only thing we can help is that the team leaders in the various corps will take the younger players under their wing and tell them how to get better in the offseason. Otherwise we may basically lose an entire year of development.

#776342 I still don't think cutting/letting go the vets is a big problem.

Posted by Fiz on 26 September 2010 - 10:59 PM

Fiz you seem different, what is it?

well when the panthers are bad it tends to make all the shitty posters go away and keep around only the people that somewhat know what they're talking about. now if i can just get pantherfanforlife to sperg out and rage quit we'll be in serious business.

secondly, there's always a very zen kind of calm that comes about me when i realize the panthers are just very bad and i can sort of mete that out to other aspects of my football life.

finally i got blown by some hot chick in the parking lot of a bar i hit up once i got back to atlanta from the game today and that chick could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

#776236 I still don't think cutting/letting go the vets is a big problem.

Posted by Fiz on 26 September 2010 - 10:17 PM

On the defensive side of the ball where the majority of the losses were, there hasn't been significant drop off.

Diggs was lost in the linebacking corps, but they've been arguably the best unit.

Maybe some leadership was lost with the Harris trade, but that's really difficult to quantify, and with the exception of Godfrey's usual lapses of concentration (which would have been there anyway since god knows fox wouldn't have started Martin over him) the safety play has been alright.

They're not getting any pressure from the middle of the line, but it's not like they were doing that with Lewis last year or Kemo on IR.

Overall I think everyone would agree that the defense has been fine, and have been doing the best they can with the cards they've been dealt (being on the field for 45 minutes a game)

On the other side of the ball, neither Moose nor Hoover are even in the league anymore, so maybe we dodged a bullet on that one. We know that Fox loves sending vets out there after they've outlived their usefulness (rucker, morgan, lucas, foster, jake, etc) and as long as we're not getting production we might as well be giving young people snaps.

The problem as I see it is on the other end of not bringing anyone in. throughout fox's tenure, he's constantly brought in vets to fill in the gaps, and this is the first year I can remember that they didn't do that, with the exception of like ed johnson or whatever but who the f**k is that guy

i'm not excusing richardson or anything and please don't think I am.

However i feel people bitching about the cuts need to refocus their rage to three things related to the salary purge

  • not signing a veteran QB. regardless of who was going to start at QB, they needed someone they could turn to for advice that's been through the rigors of an nfl season. as it has turned out, Clausen is the QB going forward. The only person he has to talk to is a shell shocked moore and text messages from Mark Sanchez
  • not bringing in a veteran wide receiver. I literally do not care who it was. there is simply not another nfl caliber wide receiver on the team at this moment. steve smith has obviously not taken to the role of mentor.

    “Whether they want to hear it or not, they get in the game and all of sudden things change and they’re getting smashed up-side the head,” he told Sports Illustrated. “Then they’ll come to me and I’ll kind of give them their space and I’m like, ‘What do I know?’ ”

    At some point someone like David gettis or Lefell needs someone they can turn to, and as much as I love the guy I'm not sure Steve Smith is the man.
  • the scare with Wharton today, and the play of the offensive line in general, has shown that they might benefit from veteran depth. in 2008, the Panthers built their dominant line by signing every single free agent offensive lineman they could find then sticking with the one that rose to the top. I don't know how much that would have helped the offensive line with their early season struggles, but they're one twisted ankle away from starting someone you've never heard of

it's impossible to quantify the whole leadership thing, and the "young team" thing is pretty tired, but i think jerry richardson has really done his own team and the young players he was leaning on a disservice by throwing them to the wolves without anyone to guide them through the forest.

the offensive was predicated on two things: Moore being who we thought he was and a wide receiver stepping up. now that both of those assumptions have blown up in their face, it's clear that the offense will be ineffective all year, and his statement season might cost him far more.

It's possible that gettis, lefell, and clausen don't develop at all. we've seen plenty of QBs get shell shocked, and everyone knows wide receivers are a crap shoot. we might be ruining all of these young guys before they even get a chance.

basically what i'm saying is that all the cool kids have stopped bitching at jerry for leading the charge on cuts. that isn't having nearly as large an impact as him not signing anyone.

anyway here is a hot chick

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#771558 The Only One

Posted by Fiz on 24 September 2010 - 05:34 PM


#771536 The Higher Being Says We'll Win

Posted by Fiz on 24 September 2010 - 05:22 PM

have you ever watched the panthers.....on weed?

#767858 "New" Carolina Fan

Posted by Fiz on 22 September 2010 - 08:25 PM

get out

log off

kill yourself

#767809 This is what Clausen is up against

Posted by Fiz on 22 September 2010 - 07:48 PM

Frank Reich - September 3rd, 1995

In the Panthers first game against the lowly Falcons, Frank Reich proved effective despite his best efforts. While barely completing 50% of his passes, he threw for 329 yards and 2 TDs. The Panthers even tried to go for the win on 4th and 1 from the 2 down 3 with no time left, but were set back when their runningback (who's name escapes me) false started. It was the first time I heard my dad say f**k.

Still, pretty impressive showing.

Kerry Collins - October 8th, 1995p

Having apparently thought "f**k it," Capers gave the alcoholic from Pennsylvania his first start against the suck ass bears. Kerry completed half of his passes for 288, a TD, and an INT. The Panthers were beat up and down the field that day and were lucky it was as close as it was. Still, not terrible.

Steve Beuerlein - September 22nd, 1996

The first QB in Panthers history to win his team debut, and in my opinion the best QB in their history. Beuerlein picked the crumbling empire apart filling in for Kerry Collins. I vividly remember him getting a false start called against the niners with a hard count, the first I'd ever seen. Steve was 22/31 for 2 TD, 1 INT, and 290 yards.

Chris Weinke - September 9th, 2001

The 45 year old Weinke went into a hostile Metrodome and defeated a team that looked damn near unstoppable in the preseason. He was an efficient 13/22 for 223, a TD and an INT. The Panthers pulled out the remarkable upset.

Then they went on to lose 15 in a row and the WTC was destroyed by Islamic Terrorists so I'm going to go ahead and assume it can't get worse than this.

Matt Lytle - November 11th, 2001

Filling in for an injured/poo Chris Weinke, Matt Lytle led the Panthers into a charge of the light brigade and was absolutely slaughtered by the St Louis Rams. Playing against mostly 2nd stringers after the Rams scored 21 points in the first quarter, Lytle 15/25 for 125, 1 TD and 2 INT. Let's just forget this game, and this player, happened.

Rodney Peete - September 8th, 2002

Peete started off the John Fox era with a completely forgettable win against the Baltimore Ravens. Deciding to lean heavily on the run, Peete completed 12 of the 19 passes he was allowed to attempt for 136 yards and a TD. They won this game somehow.

Randy Fasani - October 27th, 2002

Possibly the ugliest game in the history of organized sport, this game matched two unstoppable defenses (Tampa Bay) against two very bad offenses. A civilized society would have stopped this travesty at halftime. In his big league debut against one of the greatest defenses in NFL history, Randy Fasani went a mind boggling 5/18 for 46 yards and three interceptions. I vividly remember him trying to outrun Derrick Brooks to the sidelines and getting obliterated in the process, then standing up defiantly and celebrating that they very nearly completed a first down. I went to this game and didn't sleep for weeks.

is now a cop. has the honor of retiring with the lowest career QB Rating in NFL history.

Jake Delhomme - September 14, 2003

Jake :(

After leading a miraculous comeback against the Jaguars the week before, Jake was substantially less effective against the defending super bowl Champions. He went an embarrassing 9/23 for 96 yards and 2 interceptions. However, through his grit, heart, and leadership skills he singlehandedly willed the team to a victory. 3rd Panthers QB to win his first start.

I'm sure most of you remember this because it was right around the time you started cheering for the team you bandwagon jumping mother f**kers.

David Carr - September 30th, 2007

Oh christ divert your eyes and hide the women and children. Captain Gloves came in after leading the team to victory the week before and poo the bed like no one had predicted. He went a mind numbing 19/41 for 155, a TD and an INT. His play of the game was getting flipped diving for a first down.

His Panther career would end with the crowd chanting "Moore," and fox saying that he thought the crowd wanted "more offense."

Vinny Testaverde - October 14th, 2007

Vinny was pulled off the couch and immediately pressed into action against the lowly Cardinals. With hardly any practice whatsoever he lit them the f**k up, going 20/33 for 206 and a bomb TD, passed on the entire state.

The fourth QB to win his team debut.

Matt Moore - December 16th, 2007

Matt Moore expertly ran a very slimmed down offensive gameplan to the tune of 27/41 for 274 and a TD. This was the first home win in over a year. He would continue to improve for the rest of the season, setting the stage for his stellar end to 2009, and getting my hopes up before his recent implosion.

was last seen cutting his wrists outside a hot topic at carolina place mall.

the 5th Panthers QB to win his debut

Jimmy Clausen


#763920 Pickles

Posted by Fiz on 21 September 2010 - 09:36 AM

Get yo pickles ready

#763479 Keep davidson for the offense. Hire.......

Posted by Fiz on 20 September 2010 - 11:30 PM

yes i should truly leave the thread i started because jangler has decided to troll it and pick a fight

it really wouldn't be an issue if the mods would simply do their job but jangler is their butt buddy at the tailgate so they let his stupidity fly

meanwhile i get probated so injustly that people flood the suggestions forum and demand they let me out of their prison

#763444 Hey O-line I hope you watched the 49ers O-line.

Posted by Fiz on 20 September 2010 - 11:18 PM

isn't alex smith like in his early forties

#762464 shock thread

Posted by Fiz on 20 September 2010 - 05:37 PM

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#760170 Yes, Clausen should start the rest of the season...

Posted by Fiz on 20 September 2010 - 12:28 AM

Ok lets get Vick.

hey remember when you posted for weeks demanding that the panthers draft pat white


#751321 2010 AD...After Delhomme

Posted by Fiz on 15 September 2010 - 08:00 PM

100% of the profits from this will go to toys for tots

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