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#1349445 What does Cam have to do

Posted by KJDaniel31 on 25 August 2011 - 12:20 AM

:lol: Sorry if you think that is a trick question. And I have answered every question you have asked me I believe. Maybe not the way you wanted me to but I have answered them. And what leads you to believe I haven't been honest.

It's quite simple....you are arguing things you know for a fact arent true. I have not once changed my stance nor my argument. You finally answered ONE QUESTION (after avoiding it like the plague) which finally allowed us to discuss your stance in depth. You have accused me of making things too simple, but how is the above misrepresentation of what I have said any different?

I say no QB who runs as much as Cam did in college has ever been successful. In order to get you to pick the most similar QB to Cam who you believe to be successful for discussion sake, I have to dumb it down to simply "half as many rushing yards". FINALLY you bite, and pick someone.

Did you really think that was it? Here, Steve McNair....I WIN! Did you really think I was claiming that no QB who rushed for half the yards Cam did has ever been decent in the NFL? Sure they have, so what was different about them that made them more successful? They all threw EXPONENTIALLY more than Cam did in college.

My stance all along is much more complex than what you are pretending. Even though Steve ran for nearly 1000 yards, it is obvious that he was developing his passing skills (by throwing the ball) at a MUCH higher rate than Cam did, nearly 4-1.

To label this "backtracking" or "changing my stance" cannot be label anything other than dishonest. Why is there a need for it? Why not just continue the discussion, and explain why you disagree? For someone who seems this smart, your tactics confuse me.

And as far as your last question I will answer like I have all night. Why does it matter if it is irrelevant?? In 2008 there had never been a black President does that mean there is no way Barack Obama wins?? :lol:

Is your point that there is a first time for everything? Good, I agree. Cam may very well be the first of his type of QB to succeed. I have no problem with this stance of yours, it is honest and reasonable. I simply dont see how such a longshot deserves to be #1 in the draft.

As far as dealing in realism and fact. Are you saying it is a fact that Cam Newton is the same person as The Golden Calf of Bristol?? Same QB as The Golden Calf of Bristol?? Has same mechanics as The Golden Calf of Bristol?? Same skill set as The Golden Calf of Bristol??

I mean if you boil it down that is what you are saying. Your argument to this point (after it changing at least three separate times after massive fails :lol:) is "The Golden Calf of Bristol ran the ball almost equal to the times he ran the ball in college. Cam Newton ran the ball near equal number times a game. The Golden Calf of Bristol is struggling as an NFL QB. Therefore Cam Newton will struggle as an NFl QB" :rofl:

More dishonesty....where have I said that Cam and Tim are the same person, or same abilities, or anything resembling this? I'd love to see this quote.

Again, you willfully leave out vast parts of my argument in the dishonest attempt to simplify it. I have argued that the run/pass ratio is a sign of one or more of the following:

1. Lacks passing skills
2. Lacks coverage understanding
3. Excels at running
4. A run heavy play calling system

All lead to a lack of development of passing skills. Many QBs had promising passing skills before college, but due to their systems, these skills were severely held back. Case in point is Stephen McGee.

Mcgee was the 4th rated pocket passer in the 2004 class by rivals.com (not even listed as a dual threat QB). He graduated in the top 10 in passing yards in the history of Texas high school football, as well as 3A all time leader in Tds and did not throw a single INT as a senior. He committed to Texas A&M, which is my favorite team, and I was ecstatic that we may finally drop the option offense. His gutsy play quickly made him my favorite college player ever, and I hoped we would develop a system around his skills. We didn't until late in his career, while he was constantly hurt, and though Stephen was an athlete, he should have been developing his passing skills rather than getting beaten up every week running the option. His career as a QB was severely damaged, and now most people simply think he has always been a runner. He has all the skills of an NFL pocket passer, but they have not been developed much at all. I hold out hope for him, but the odds are so low.

It is ridiculous on its face KJ. Can you only work in simple formulas? Does it even matter that he did throw the ball 20 times a game and had nearly 3,000 yards passing and 30 tds?? Or is this broad brush ONLY covered by this ratio??

Perhaps if you would just accurately discuss my position, we could intelligently discuss yours? Honesty will go a long way here.

I will finish up with this. If you think Cam is going to suck that is fine. But base it on something a little better than this. This is too weak. Say he has accuracy issues. That he has short hopped some throws in the preseason. Something like that.

Because saying a guy is going to fail bc he had too many designed runs called for him in college is really too simple minded to take seriously.

I do believe he will fail, and for the reasons you listed. I have never said anything other than this. These faults are the RESULT of his lack of development as a passer, due to the high % of runs vs pass in major college football. You simply cannot become a better passer without throwing the ball.

Now, my stance since January is that Cam Newton's abilities most closely resemble Vince Young, especially comparing their final season. Of course, many here cringe at that, since Vince has been a huge disappointment. However, he is the closest to the parameters you have asked for:

1. Threw for 3000 yards; ran for 1000. Threw 25 pass att/G
2. 1.58 Pass/Run ratio career; 2.09 SR year.
3. Threw for 26 TDs, ran for 12
4. #3 pick overall.
5. Measurables (6'5; 235 lbs)

Now, if Vince threw a higher % of the time than Cam did, had comparable stats/success at the end of the year, how much should we be worried about Cam's development as a passer? Should we consider that Vince also had much more talent at RB, which kept his rushing stats much lower than perhaps they would have been had he had Cam's RBs?

Do you disagree that Vince's statistics most closely mirror Cam's? Would you agree that his talents/abilities are the closest as well?

(Since you struggle with this, CLOSELY does not equal SAME).

#1347649 What does Cam have to do

Posted by KJDaniel31 on 23 August 2011 - 10:14 PM

Your computer should have been wet a long time ago.

My scenario is no more ridiculous than yours. Judging results solely by what has happened in the past is a sure-fire way to insure long term mediocrity.

Except that it is. There are left handed and right handed pocket passers and running QBs. Right and left hand has no affect on their skills. We are discussing SKILLS. Can you discuss Cam's skills here, or do you really need to sink to this level to avoid admitting you are completely clueless?

You choose to focus on the fact that Cam can run and has done so with success. So what, so can your boy Locker. Yet you choose to focus on that aspect of his game and ignore the 66% completion rate or the 30 TDs.

Oh boy...you really need to make an effort to have some idea what you are talking about BEFORE posting.

Cam's averages in college:
20 Pass att/19 rush att
203 Pass YPG/105 Rush YPG

Locker's averages:
29 Pass Att/ 11 rush att
191 pass YPG/ 45 Rush YPG

Even counting Jake's freshman year, which severe skewed his stats, his % of pass to rush att (2.6 to 1) is no where near Cam's (1.05). Take away Locker's freshman year (where he ran for more than half his career total) and the stats are even more clear: Jake Locker threw the ball nearly 3 times for every time he ran, while Cam was just about 1 for 1.

How is this similar? Simply because Jake CAN run?

You just don't like Cam for whatever reason, and that's your right. Just don't try to convince us it is because of facts and logic, because you have showed us little of either.

I have shown NOTHING but facts...you have avoided every opportunity to do so. You have nothing but blind homerism to show for your support of Cam's chances for success. If I am wrong, I would love to see the precedent you have for someone with Cam's skills who succeeded in today's NFL.

#1347453 What does Cam have to do

Posted by KJDaniel31 on 23 August 2011 - 08:06 PM

20 Tds and 9 INTs is flat out comedy....it shows that some here love to type, but don't care to have a clue. It could be the most idiotic thing I've read here since comparing Cam to Big Ben.

I put Cam's chances for long term success at around 5%. For him to show me that he is on track to prove me wrong, he would need to show that he is developing into a competent pocket passer. No problem with running when you have to, but if he isn't developing from the pocket, he is a waste of time.

If we wise up and move him to a better position, like WR, then it's likely I will be happy with his development much sooner.

#1329415 Mallett/Gabbert/Cam/Ponder/Locker

Posted by KJDaniel31 on 15 August 2011 - 01:01 AM

moore and an impact nfl player such as aj, pp dareus and it's not even close.


#1159397 My Big Board

Posted by KJDaniel31 on 24 April 2011 - 02:08 PM

10 Players to forget

1. Cam Newton (QB, Aub) – His abilities translate into a great 3rd/4th round project for a backup QB. Lacks accuracy, coverage understanding, experience in a pro system, character, and just about everything else needed to succeed in the NFL. Only chance will be for a team who runs a spread offense, which right now is only Buffalo. Any true pro system will swallow him whole.

2. Mark Ingram (RB, Bama) - Mark has a degenerative knee condition which I feel is going to seriously hinder him. Not a game breaker or a bulldozer, his main assets are vision and patience. He will be solid but unspectacular while healthy, but expect a very short career.

3. Jimmy Smith (CB, Colo) – Good size and speed but serious character and work ethic concerns. Should be a 3rd round pick but likely to be off the board by pick 40.

4. Nick Fairley (DT, Aub) – One year wonder known for laziness and moronic penalties as much as his great athletic ability. Money is likely to change him and I expect him to be out of the league very soon.

5. Brooks Reed (LB, ARZ) – A guy who few thought much of before the combine. Looks like a 1st rounder in the combine, but a decent 4th rounder with long term project written all over him on tape. Lacks counter moves and really only took advantage of weak opponents. Unlikely to contribute for a couple of years, if ever.

6. Colin Kaepernick (QB, Nev) – Nothing about this guy says NFL starting QB to me. Great feet and decent size, he looks like a perfect backup QB candidate starting around the 5th round. Many are predicting a 2nd round pick for him, which is going to set a team back quite a bit.

7. Torrey Smith (WR, Maryland) – As far as KRs go, Smith is at the top of the list. As a WR, beware of speed guys who simply can’t catch. Doesn’t show good route discipline at all and seems terrified across the middle. I watch him play and think I’m watching Troy Williamson.

8. Allen Bailey (DL, Miami) – Too small to play DT, too slow to play DE, not a great pass rusher or run stopper to play anywhere. Bailey looks great in shorts but doesn’t really cause many problems for offenses when on the field. Considered a 2nd round pick by many, but seems like a career backup to me.

9. Phil Taylor (DT, Baylor) – Too many strikes against him already. Got kicked out of Penn State (tough to do) and now has an inoperable foot condition. Looks good on tape, but too many things likely to keep him off the field.

10. Derek Sherrod (OL, MissSt.) – Lacks strength, doesn’t seem to care when he is beat or beat up. I prefer OL who like to hurt people. This guy isn’t an ugly type of player, and finesse OL are not high percentage picks.

#1159395 My Big Board

Posted by KJDaniel31 on 24 April 2011 - 02:06 PM

I've been reading quite a bit lately but not posting, and it is interesting to see the various views on different players. I am a draft junkie and spend alot of free time watching tape on players, as its so much fun to predict the unknowns who become stars (I love to boast about Miles Austin and Matt Cassel) or the "can't miss" blue chippers who turn out to be worthless (who didn't see JaMarcus Russell and Alex Smith coming?). So here is my top 32 players in terms of value, along with 10 Overrated and 10 Sleepers. Of course, there are some controversial picks, so I am curious to hear the discussion.

Big Board

1. Patrick Peterson (DB, LSU)- He is just the best football player on the board, but at a very low level position. I believe he is a FS in the NFL, and will be an Ed Reed type game changer. At CB, he will be very good and could even be great, but I'd love to see him with more freedom to make plays at FS. Possibly a pro bowler as a rookie.

2. Jake Locker (QB, Wash) - VERY controversial here, but it appears that many more are agreeing with me after seeing him throw at the combine. This guy is a leader of men, high character, better on the run than any QB in the last 10 years (agrees Mike Mayock) and has a serious arm. I felt all along that he had terrible talent around him, and he willed these guys to a winning season and 2 straight wins over USC. He is the best athlete at QB in the draft, more accurate than people who only read stats realize, and he is a top level talent who can play from Day 1. In 3 years I expect him to be a top 10 QB.

3. Marcell Dareus (DT, Bama) - He's huge, fast and is known as a hard worker, all big things at the DT position. Can play in the 3-4 or 4-3, and seems to have the strength and quickness to adapt to many systems. Probably the safest pick in the draft.

4. Von Miller (OLB, TAMU) – Many feel that Miller had a down year in 2010, but forget that he played injured for the first month and a half. As a JR he led the nation in sacks and spent most of the year in the offensive backfield VS the run as well. He’s a pure edge rushing 3-4 OLB, but has shown enough agility to be competent in coverage. Primary rush moves are the best in the class. Very high character guy, will work hard and should be an elite pass rusher for years to come.

5. Julio Jones (WR, Bama) – I know many have AJ Green as the #1 WR, but I just see too much ability on tape from Jones to put anyone above him. Big, strong and fast with good awareness and body control, he is a nightmare for CBs to cover 1v1. Not great after the catch, but powerful enough to gain a few yards in traffic and fast enough to run away from most DBs. More of an athlete than a polished product at this point, but is sure to be a great WR at the next level.

6. Prince Amukamara (CB, Neb) – Elite instincts and coverage skills, and has proven to have better speed than one thought. Perhaps not a pure ball hawk, but Prince is the type who can take any WR in CFB out of the game plan. A safe pick as well, given his high character, he never missed a game at NEB, and ready to play immediately.

7. A. J. Green (WR, UG) – Clearly the best route runner and best hands of the draft at WR. Good size and speed and is very dangerous in the vertical passing game. The knocks on him are that he seems to be hurt a lot and really doesn’t do much after the catch. Even so, with a solid QB Green will see his share of Pro Bowl seasons.

8. Mike Pouncey (OC, FLA) – Perhaps a low level position, but is among the best football players in the draft. A very safe pick, he never missed a game in CFB and is known as a leader on and off the field. Likely to start from day 1, he has the intelligence and experience to be an asset right away. More athletic than strong, he will need to add strength to maximize ability.

9. Robert Quinn (DE, UNC) – More of a pure athlete than a football player at this point, but his measurables are off the charts. Lacks rush moves, especially after the initial block, but his motor and work ethic have never been questioned. I believe he will learn the skills to go with elite athleticism and become a top edge rusher, likely in the 4-3.

10. Ryan Mallet (QB, Ark) I have gone back and forth on this guy for months, however a couple of film sessions against bigtime SEC opponents will cure that. This guy torched the best defenses in college football for 2 years, and less than 5% of NCAA fans can name another player on his offense. He has elite size and arm strength, and his accuracy surprised me. I am cautious of what money will do to him, but he really seems to want to win, and his teammates love him. He will cause major problems for defenses who will now have to guard the whole field due to his ability to make every throw. Boom or bust pick, but most likely a boom.

11. J. J. Watt (DE, Wisc) – This is pretty high to rank a 3-4 DE, but this guy’s motor is off the charts. Playing the 5 technique is more about effort and strength, both things Watt excels at. You literally never see him quit on a play, and he often wears down the OL late in games. May never have big stats since he isn’t an elite pass rusher, but will be a solid anchor for a 3-4 for many years.

12. Blaine Gabbert (QB, Mizzou) – Blaine doesn’t amaze me at any aspect of QB play, but he isn’t weak in any area, either. He has good arm strength and though many doubt his ability to play under center, he’s played that way all through high school and the drops should come back to it easily. He seems to go through reads very well and has a good understanding of coverages, and has good accuracy to put the ball on target. Smart, hard working and good mechanics will overcome his slight lack of raw talent. Likely to be a solid starter and fringe pro bowler.

13. Tyron Smith (OT, USC) – Would likely be a top 5 pick next year, so some team in the late top 10 or early teens will get a steal in a year or 2. Very athletic with great feet, but like most top level pass blockers he must add strength to be a great OT in the NFL. All signs point to a dedicated player and should be the best OT in this draft.

14. Nate Solder (OT, Colo) – Just barely behind Smith due to the difference in athleticism, but Solder is the smartest player at his position in a long time. He has a great understanding of the game and assignments, is never out of position, and has a huge frame with which to add strength. Expect Nate to be perhaps the unsexy steady Eddie of the OL class.

15. Corey Liuget (DT, Ill) - Next to Dareus he is the best DT against the run, and as such will be draft very high. A true “in the trenches” guy who loves taking on double teams and still making plays. A great tackler and endless motor along with great instincts for the run game will keep Corey in a job for a long time. Wont provide much pass rush, so he is likely a 2 down player.

16. Marvin Austin (DT, UNC) – I always worry about guys who break major NCAA rules and what will happen to them when they finally get money, so this guy scares me. On talent alone, he is a top 5 pick, but he hasn’t played football in a year and is likely a character problem waiting to happen. He gets off blocks as well as anyone in the 1st round this year, and is dangerous in the passing game as well. Should be a beast when he is on the field, but work ethic is a definite concern.

17. Ryan Kerrigan (DE, Pur) – Many have Ryan as a OLB, but he has not shown any ability to play in space in my opinion to be anything but a 4-3 DE. Solid vs the run and a very good pass rusher, he doesn’t hurt you in any aspect of the game and will dominate inexperienced OL. Lack of versatility will hurt him on draft day, but on the field he will make plays from day 1.

18. Kyle Rudolph (TE, ND) A split TE in the mold of Greg Olsen, Kyle is as dangerous with the ball as without it. Great feet and can make people miss, he will cause a lot of problems for LBs who are too slow or DBs who are too small. Needs to develop his blocking, but with the way teams use 2 TEs now he will be a hot item on draft day as the clear cut #1 TE.

19. Aldon Smith (DE, Mizzou) – Smith is a pure pash rusher in the Jevon Kearse mold. Struggles mightily against the run, so I have him valued much lower than other edge rushers in this draft. Even so, he will cause a lot of problems on passing downs, and that is a very valuable skill in the NFL. Likely to have great numbers even as a rookie.

20. Muhammad Wilkerson (DT, Temp.) – Another of the unsexy but solid DL in this draft, Wilkerson really seems to be solid at everything. Elite against the run, he can likely start week 1 on 1st and 2nd downs. Really not much in the area of pass rushing, but run stopping ability will get him on the field as a rookie.


#1022924 In This Thread I Talk Rationally About Drafting A QB #1 Overall.

Posted by KJDaniel31 on 30 January 2011 - 03:11 AM

and for those who think it is asinine check out what one NFL scout said to Ross Tucker a contributor to ESPN:

NFL scout to me: " If VY went #3 & The Golden Calf of Bristol 1st Rd, wouldn't surprise me at all if Cam Newton went #1. His upside is limitless."

I will say Cam is bigger, faster, and has a much better throwing motion/is a more efficient passer than VY so maybe the scout's got a point.

I suspect these same guys were high on Alex Smith and Jamarcus Russell....I couldn't care less what some random unnamed scout says, considering I know a couple of scouts myself. Smart teams want no part of him as a first round QB, but also know he has no interest in moving to a position where he would actually be good.

So he's a better prospect than one horrid QB, and one major project at QB who is a career overachiever.

That's like saying "here, drink this anti-freeze....its better than hydrochloric acid."

#1015736 Flattering comment about Fairley.

Posted by KJDaniel31 on 26 January 2011 - 12:33 AM

I just don't agree. I don't see that Fairley was as dominant as Suh was, but I feel that Suh was the best defensive player in the NCAA of the last 10 years. Fairley was very good, and while I am not as high on his NFL projection as others are, he had a great year this year. I just can't put him in Suh's league.

#1011265 Cam Newton wants to be Big Ben

Posted by KJDaniel31 on 23 January 2011 - 09:48 PM

It doesn't do a thing to cease the work ethic talks. Right now he's working hard to get his money, it's what he does after he gets his money that will cease the talks. Even JaMarcus worked out before the draft lol

To be fair he didn't have a fight in a bar. He was with his parents for dinner and got sucker punched on his way out. Doesn't really equal character concern to me.

Also, transporting alcohol isn't the same level as what Cam has been accused of. Five years down the road he'll probably be stripped of his Heisman and NC, like Bush. They couldn't afford to lose the viewers for the NC game by suspending him, just like the Ohio State guys.

Edit: I can't believe I just defended Clausen, all in the pursuit of facts. Someone alert the media.

Agreed....Just about everyone who cites his character concerns admits that they were minor, and could prove to be nothing. However, they are there, and to pretend they aren't, or that they will have no affect on his draft status, simply isn't honest or realistic.

#1009981 Becoming a Panther Fan

Posted by KJDaniel31 on 23 January 2011 - 03:59 PM

I live in Texas, and virtually everyone is a Cowboys fan. Me and all my buddies love football, NFL and college, but the NFL is pretty much an addiction. It was kinda of interesting that me and several buddies were starting to enjoy following SMU due to their history, the amazing location of the campus, and the direction they are taking. Me and one other buddy came up with the idea that, as hardcore NFL fans (we have super competitive fantasy leagues, and 5 of us work together, most of us played in college or coached at a high level-I have one I coached in the NFL right now), it would be fun to choose to be a fan of a team that you just enjoy, rather than just the first team your parents showed you. So we came up with a competition.

We came up with a list of what are widely considered to be the worst teams in the NFL right now (using a local sports writer to decide on the teams allowed). The main criteria was looking forward, who had the fewest necessary pieces to win a Super Bowl: Franchise QB most of all, good coaching, dedicated front office, overall talent. Originally, the Panthers didnt make the list due to them most likely getting Andrew Luck, but were added when he pulled out. So, among our group of friends, if you had always wanted to really be a fan of one of the teams that made the list, you could join in. 8 of us wanted in, and we came up with a list of 9 teams to choose from....everyone put the team they wanted 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Everyone except 2 got their first pick, (tie breaker was the winner or Auburn/Oregon) and I tied with one guy as wanting the Panthers most (he choose Oregon), everyone else got their 2nd. The teams were: Carolina, Buffalo, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Miami, Oakland, Arizona, Washington...and Cincinnati, but they werent chosen. You were not only choosing a team but a city/location you would enjoy traveling to.

Rules were this: We each pay $100 a year ($800 total), and the first team to win a Super Bowl wins the pot, then it starts over. Given that it could be 10-15 years before this happens, the pot could be really nice one day. On top of just that, you had to want to be a serious fan of this franchise....attending HOME games, training camps, all the like. We started a website with a blog for each of us to post our comments on roster moves, coaching hires, draft classes, game comments, ETC. Funny thing is 2 other groups have taken the same list and done their own group. Of course, we each knew quite a bit about that team since we already liked them some, but each of us are wanting to know as much as possible about our franchise. I liked several of the past players (Jake, Biakabatuka, Peppers) and several current (Clausen in college, Gamble, Smitty, D. Williams) and I'm pumped that I got the team I wanted. So I joined on here and its been pretty cool to see who you guys like and dont like, who yall want to bring in and who you want to get rid of. The GM/Owner are actually who I knew the least about, so that's been very interesting to learn.

So, I liked the Panthers since their first year, but pretty much became a fan last month. I've never been to NC, so I'm pumped to come to a game this year. My bro-inlaw went to UNC and said he loves it. I'd love to come for a couple of days and check out training camp or something like that as well.

So, I guess this was an intro thread, but I thought some of you may find the competition interesting. You could discuss the competition or it would be cool to learn how some of you became Panthers fans. Needless to say I want to win a Super Bowl BAD, not just to win the pot but bragging rights are invaluable among our group. Curious for your thoughts...

#1006008 AJ Green or Nick Fairley

Posted by KJDaniel31 on 20 January 2011 - 08:43 PM

Your joking right? You do remember how unstoppable Vick was with the Falcons right?

During the regular season? Sure, he could run, but his best season passing got him a rating of 81.6. He lead that team to 2 post season wins total. I dont know the complete rating formula, but his average rating for his 4 post season starts is 77.15. My argument has been that running QBs can win games in the regular season, but when they face good defenses in the playoffs their lack of passing ability is difficult to win with. I just know that a #1 overall pick who takes his team to the playoffs twice, wins only 2 games, and puts up those numbers is considered a bust.

Vick was anything but unstoppable when it mattered.

EDIT: It should be noted that Vick did improve his rating in these playoffs, posting a solid 79.9, however, his team again failed to win.

When he got injured what happened to them, they looked like crap.

As you should expect from a team that hasn't touched the ball much all season. He lacked the ability to complete a forward pass, much less get teammates involved. Remember what everyone thought of Roddy White when Vick was the QB? Vick leaves, and he has had 1000 yards every year since. Even the scrubs and a young Matt Ryan threw a more catchable ball than Vick.

You can't use his (or VYs for that matter) off the field issues when talking about other dual threat QB's because well they aren't Vick.

Those are specific situations with those 2 players, and I never said "every running QB has character problems", even though it does seem to be more prevalent.

Unless of course this is purely race based argument. Because that is were the similarities end.

Fairly weak copout here, considering I listed white QBs as well (Matt Jones, at least 2 of the Nebraska QBs were white). Jones was a crackhead and Crouch couldnt figure out if he even wanted to play football, and quit more than once. I couldn't care less about his race, I care about his skill set. I had no interest in Jones or Crouch at QB, and I have no interest in Vick, Taylor, Cam or VY at QB either. One good season followed by a 1 and done playoffs does not convince me when I have mountains of data stating that running QB's will not lead you to a title.

Can I ask why you are so desperate to follow a pattern that has done nothing but fail 99% of the time in the NFL? I'm curious to understand your position.

#1001448 These hirings likely preclude us from mcnabb, kolb

Posted by KJDaniel31 on 18 January 2011 - 10:34 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing the Panthers get Gradkowski. He is better than Volek in my opinion.

McNabb is washed up and wouldn't fit here anyway being a WCO guy.

I like him....very un-sexy but solid. He isn't an option as a long term starter, but a smart, wont get us beat backup is gonna be a need when we do find our young franchise QB.

#999355 Carolina Panthers agree to deal with offensive coordinator

Posted by KJDaniel31 on 17 January 2011 - 08:39 PM


awesome smoked mac n cheese recipe also in there

I meant the recipe, but fine....I'll buy the book. You get a commission?

#999205 Chud is the new OC

Posted by KJDaniel31 on 17 January 2011 - 07:15 PM

belichick is also former browns.

there are some organizations where a coach just can't succeed...

apparently Chuds threw it too much in cleveland... was he the OC the year they went 10-6 with Anderson? Can't recall it all and too lazy to look it up.

It appears that way. According to Wiki he was the Browns OC from 2007-2008, and when I look at Derek Anderson's game log from 2007, it shows them going 10-6, with Anderson going for 3,787 Yards, 29 TDs (2 more Rushing), and 19 Ints.

From what I've seen of Derek Anderson, this was quite an accomplishment. Let's hope that magic comes with him.

EDIT: I'm not sure about the run/pass ratio, but in that same season Jamal Lewis had 298/1,304/4.4/9Td, which includes a game against the Pats where he was hurt on the first run of the game. Seems like, at least for that one season, he was a pretty solid OC.

#997326 AJ Green or Nick Fairley

Posted by KJDaniel31 on 16 January 2011 - 07:22 PM

So bleys is skirting the question by saying "I think he is the best choice" and this Daniels dude who put his fat out of shape photo as his profile pic is a puss all together and will not even man up. What a clown. You know what the smart pick is but you have your emotional choice of green but you want stand by it and go in record and say he will go #1. I will even say he will not go #1 even if we trade the pick

Ok, its official. You are an incurable idiot. First, I'm 6ft2 and I weigh about 165, often heckled by my friends for being the only one still that skinny. I'm not saying im in incredible shape, but to look at a picture of me and call me fat is laughable. I get the feeling you are laughed at often though.. Second, I did a simple yahoo search and came up with countless links to Mayocks opinions on Clausen, which got worse and worse the closer the draft got.


And third, most of us have already stated who we would like to be picked #1, including myself IN THIS THREAD!

How about reading around instead of making yourself look like you gave up after failing 6th grade for the 4th time?

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