Sorry if you think that is a trick question. And I have answered every question you have asked me I believe. Maybe not the way you wanted me to but I have answered them. And what leads you to believe I haven't been honest.
It's quite simple....you are arguing things you know for a fact arent true. I have not once changed my stance nor my argument. You finally answered ONE QUESTION (after avoiding it like the plague) which finally allowed us to discuss your stance in depth. You have accused me of making things too simple, but how is the above misrepresentation of what I have said any different?
I say no QB who runs as much as Cam did in college has ever been successful. In order to get you to pick the most similar QB to Cam who you believe to be successful for discussion sake, I have to dumb it down to simply "half as many rushing yards". FINALLY you bite, and pick someone.
Did you really think that was it? Here, Steve McNair....I WIN! Did you really think I was claiming that no QB who rushed for half the yards Cam did has ever been decent in the NFL? Sure they have, so what was different about them that made them more successful? They all threw EXPONENTIALLY more than Cam did in college.
My stance all along is much more complex than what you are pretending. Even though Steve ran for nearly 1000 yards, it is obvious that he was developing his passing skills (by throwing the ball) at a MUCH higher rate than Cam did, nearly 4-1.
To label this "backtracking" or "changing my stance" cannot be label anything other than dishonest. Why is there a need for it? Why not just continue the discussion, and explain why you disagree? For someone who seems this smart, your tactics confuse me.
Is your point that there is a first time for everything? Good, I agree. Cam may very well be the first of his type of QB to succeed. I have no problem with this stance of yours, it is honest and reasonable. I simply dont see how such a longshot deserves to be #1 in the draft.
And as far as your last question I will answer like I have all night. Why does it matter if it is irrelevant?? In 2008 there had never been a black President does that mean there is no way Barack Obama wins??
As far as dealing in realism and fact. Are you saying it is a fact that Cam Newton is the same person as The Golden Calf of Bristol?? Same QB as The Golden Calf of Bristol?? Has same mechanics as The Golden Calf of Bristol?? Same skill set as The Golden Calf of Bristol??
I mean if you boil it down that is what you are saying. Your argument to this point (after it changing at least three separate times after massive fails ) is "The Golden Calf of Bristol ran the ball almost equal to the times he ran the ball in college. Cam Newton ran the ball near equal number times a game. The Golden Calf of Bristol is struggling as an NFL QB. Therefore Cam Newton will struggle as an NFl QB" :rofl:
More dishonesty....where have I said that Cam and Tim are the same person, or same abilities, or anything resembling this? I'd love to see this quote.
Again, you willfully leave out vast parts of my argument in the dishonest attempt to simplify it. I have argued that the run/pass ratio is a sign of one or more of the following:
1. Lacks passing skills
2. Lacks coverage understanding
3. Excels at running
4. A run heavy play calling system
All lead to a lack of development of passing skills. Many QBs had promising passing skills before college, but due to their systems, these skills were severely held back. Case in point is Stephen McGee.
Mcgee was the 4th rated pocket passer in the 2004 class by rivals.com (not even listed as a dual threat QB). He graduated in the top 10 in passing yards in the history of Texas high school football, as well as 3A all time leader in Tds and did not throw a single INT as a senior. He committed to Texas A&M, which is my favorite team, and I was ecstatic that we may finally drop the option offense. His gutsy play quickly made him my favorite college player ever, and I hoped we would develop a system around his skills. We didn't until late in his career, while he was constantly hurt, and though Stephen was an athlete, he should have been developing his passing skills rather than getting beaten up every week running the option. His career as a QB was severely damaged, and now most people simply think he has always been a runner. He has all the skills of an NFL pocket passer, but they have not been developed much at all. I hold out hope for him, but the odds are so low.
Perhaps if you would just accurately discuss my position, we could intelligently discuss yours? Honesty will go a long way here.
It is ridiculous on its face KJ. Can you only work in simple formulas? Does it even matter that he did throw the ball 20 times a game and had nearly 3,000 yards passing and 30 tds?? Or is this broad brush ONLY covered by this ratio??
I do believe he will fail, and for the reasons you listed. I have never said anything other than this. These faults are the RESULT of his lack of development as a passer, due to the high % of runs vs pass in major college football. You simply cannot become a better passer without throwing the ball.
I will finish up with this. If you think Cam is going to suck that is fine. But base it on something a little better than this. This is too weak. Say he has accuracy issues. That he has short hopped some throws in the preseason. Something like that.
Because saying a guy is going to fail bc he had too many designed runs called for him in college is really too simple minded to take seriously.
Now, my stance since January is that Cam Newton's abilities most closely resemble Vince Young, especially comparing their final season. Of course, many here cringe at that, since Vince has been a huge disappointment. However, he is the closest to the parameters you have asked for:
1. Threw for 3000 yards; ran for 1000. Threw 25 pass att/G
2. 1.58 Pass/Run ratio career; 2.09 SR year.
3. Threw for 26 TDs, ran for 12
4. #3 pick overall.
5. Measurables (6'5; 235 lbs)
Now, if Vince threw a higher % of the time than Cam did, had comparable stats/success at the end of the year, how much should we be worried about Cam's development as a passer? Should we consider that Vince also had much more talent at RB, which kept his rushing stats much lower than perhaps they would have been had he had Cam's RBs?
Do you disagree that Vince's statistics most closely mirror Cam's? Would you agree that his talents/abilities are the closest as well?
(Since you struggle with this, CLOSELY does not equal SAME).