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#2366302 Fixing the Panthers Offense in 4 Easy Steps

Posted by rayzor on 09 September 2013 - 09:33 AM

Did we "play well"?  We didn't play poorly as a whole, our defense played pretty well, but our offense scored 7 points and had a turnover.  They failed to score enough points to win.  They did not play well.  You can't win in this league if you score 7 points against most teams.


I'm not saying that we should fire Rivera right now, nor bench our players.  But I am concerned because this is a pattern with this team and these coaches, so I'm worried about next week, and the weeks after.


you have to be able to get at least 14 points on the board. if you can't, you're doing something wrong.

#2366288 Fixing the Panthers Offense in 4 Easy Steps

Posted by rayzor on 09 September 2013 - 09:26 AM

I'm not happy with losing to anyone.


I am less angry when we play well overall against a very good team.


And I am never ready to panic and bench/cut/fire everybody after only one game.


can you say a team that only scores seven points played well? that's what i'm having a hard time with. production is what matters. the offense simply just didn't produce. couldn't even get the ball into field goal range. i'm no fan of FGs, but at least it's points.

#2366264 Fixing the Panthers Offense in 4 Easy Steps

Posted by rayzor on 09 September 2013 - 09:09 AM

Our defense is always going to surrender 10-14 points.  It's unreasonable to expect them not to, unless you think that we should be fielding one of the best scoring defenses in NFL history.


We're going to get penalties.  That's part of the game, and it happens to every team, often at inopportune times.  There will be drives killed, or extended by stupid mistakes.  It happens.


We will occasionally turn the ball over, probably once or twice a game on average.  That happens.


Therefore, we must have a game plan in place that takes these NORMAL things into account, and brings success in spite of them.  Slowing down the pace of play to the tune where we ended up with only 50 plays called in 30 minutes of possession does not strike me as one of those success factors.  Nor does the concept of running the ball to tire them out while at the same time giving them a breather between plays.  I get that the deep coverage was there, and kept Newton's arm in check, but what I don't understand is the lack of lateral stuff, and why we didn't do more with our running backs in the flat to bring those safeties up.


Last year we ran 53 plays in 24:23, roughly a play every 28 seconds.  This year we ran 50 plays in 29:46, a play every 36 seconds.  Can someone explain how this is a natural result of simplifying the play calling so Cam can get to the line quicker?  To me, this looks like something intentional, designed by the coaches and intended to keep the game low scoring, where we may be able to steal the victory.  A classic defensive coach's game plan, and one we've seen here before.


Buffalo has a terrible defense, one that you want to give every opportunity to make a mistake.  Do you think that slowing the game down will help limit their chances to blow it?  I certainly hope the coach's decide to open things up, but I have no faith at all in them to do it.


And when they don't, if we lose, it will be again blamed on player execution.


that makes me sick.

#2366123 Fixing the Panthers Offense in 4 Easy Steps

Posted by rayzor on 09 September 2013 - 08:07 AM

I don't really like that all the blame is going on a D-will fumble.  Greg dropped passes.  We made ridiculously conservative play calls at certain points.  Our defense finally gave up a huge f'ing TD.  I mean, we just didn't get it done... the D-Will fumble may seem like the last straw but there were points in that game where we didn't even need to get to that point...


agreed. we should have never gotten to a point where a dwill fumble decides the game. there's no reason that with this cast of players on offense that we find the endzone only once. there's no reason that we should have only accumulated 10 points. the fact that we couldn't even get to FG range more than once is just pathetic.

#2366115 Fixing the Panthers Offense in 4 Easy Steps

Posted by rayzor on 09 September 2013 - 08:04 AM

On paper, the Panthers offense against the Seahawks looks almost palatable.

Cam Newton threw with good accuracy, no interceptions, and a touchdown.  Deangelo Williams averaged 4.75 yards per carry.  If you read those statistics without watching the game you might assume the Panthers won the game.

The fact that the offense put together only 7 points has many people, myself included, scratching our heads.


I can best explain what I believe the Panthers offense was doing in boxing terms. Keep moving and throw lots of short jabs. Protect yourself from a devastating blow. Don't wind up for a knockout punch, it may backfire. Let the match play out and hope you kept it close enough for a judges decision.

This is the type of offense that Panthers offensive coordinator is known for. An offense that drives fans crazy, but defensive head coaches enjoy. Tony Dungy liked it in Tampa. Apparently Ron Rivera likes it here. These coaches relish the opportunity for defenses to win games.

However, the Panthers in game 1 took it too far in the conservative direction.

Here are three simple ways to improve on offense that can easily be implemented.

1. Let Cam be Cam. Cam Newton is a talent that should not be wasted like his name is Dilfer. One of Cam's strengths is the accuracy of his long ball. It makes no sense to acquire Tedd Ginn, who was open for the long ball yesterday, and not throw it to him. Even if incomplete a long pass play helps our offense by forcing the safeties to drop back in coverage and giving the short game more room to work. If you don't threaten deep, you may complete passes, but  you won't go anywhere. Cam Newton's career low passing yards against the Seahawks are an indication that this is the case.

2. Keep them guessing. Third downs yesterday were extremely predictable, especially in short yardage situations. Shula has a history of this. I commented in the preseason that fans should get used to seeing a run up the gut on third downs. The Panthers need to add a variety of options on third down. A QB keeper  after a play fake, a short slant to Smith, a pitch to the outside, anything but run up the gut. It is a safe bet that defensive coordinators have scouted Shula's Tampa days, if yesterday's game is any indication, they have done so for good reason. His tendencies have not changed.

3. Speed it up. I don't recall one play yesterday where the Seahawk defense was rushed or needed more time to get set up correctly. This happened numerous times to the Panthers defense. Going into a hurry up mode or even a no huddle unexpectedly would be a nice left hook to the chin.

4. Impose your will. This is not a X's and O's type of solution, but more of a mind set. Taking what the defense gives you is safe, but often it is not good enough. Afterall, they are giving it to you for a reason. You are falling into their game plan trap. Instead, attack them where they feel they are safe. In boxing terms, this knocks them back on their heels and makes them question their strategy. Winning offenses attack aggressively, losing offenses settle passively.

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i totally agree but i have no faith that this will happen. it goes completely against rivera and shula's natures.


i've got this feeling it's going to be a long season.


#2354006 Listen up Seattle! You are now ON NOTICE!

Posted by rayzor on 03 September 2013 - 10:23 PM

Oh man. This forum is gonna be so entertaining on Monday, for us Seahawks fans that is. I'm not saying it's guaranteed that we'll win Sunday morning seeing as how we have a history of playing crappy on, for us, 10 am east coast games. I'm just assuming that we're good enough and deep enough this year to overcome that crap. The team that beat you on the road last year is not a good representation of what we are this year. We are much better, and you caught us when we hadn't put it all together yet, but we still pulled it off. I respect your Defense big-time, but I don't think your O is all that...Yet. If you guys put a decent "O" cast together for Cam and you will definitely be a team to watch out for! The homer in me says that we'll "squeak"  by you guys, hopefully with no injuries to either side, and come back home to face the Niners 1-0. I have first cousins and my aunt that live in Catawba NC (my mom was born and raised in Catawba, N.C.) that I love to give crap to when our teams play, So I'm aware of the vibe down there. My favorite first cousin didn't talk to me for a couple years after the 2005 NFCCG. LOL. I still feel bad about rubbing it in as much as I did. Looking back, that was kinda lame of me. Good luck guys, and may the best team, (us), win! Cheers!


And our coffee is delicious, damnit! (not to mention that is really weak smack)


interesting that you should mention that the game was before things started clicking. it kind of sounds like....ummm...like us. that game happened when chud had gone full retard with the offense and he strayed completely away from what had worked the year before. after our long time GM was fired a few weeks later the poo got real and rivera finally reigned in chud and forced him to manage the offense in according to what we knew worked and fit the strength of the players than him just showing off how creative he can be (cause it was obvious he was trying to get a HC job rather than win games). at that moment, the offense changed dramatically and things started clicking and what you had was an improved version of cam as a passer. so what you faced wasn't a good representation of what we are now.


we now have an upgraded corps of receivers. is it an elite group of studs? nope. but it's better than what we've had in a long time. smitty is moving to the slot. lafell is as reliable a reciver as you could want. we added hixon (proven to be good when healthy, which he is right now) and ginn (who is actually looking like a real receiver and finally has a QB that fits his strengths). also, a complete surprise to us, armanti edwards looks like a natural WR for the first time of his career.


and moving on to the defense....that was keek's first game in the middle. that was his first game running the show on the field. he was just in his infancy as the leader of this D. we had issues in the secondary and in the middle of the DLine. we were weak against the pass and the pass rush came from just our DEs. we were abysmal against the run (although we didn't do bad at all against lynch that game).


we now have another year in the system. we have upgrades in the secondary as godfrey has moved from SS to his more natural fit of FS and we now have quinton mikell at SS. our secondary gets it and are really helped up by a beefed up DL that totally collapses the pocket and forces throws from the QB into not so good situations and the DBs are becoming quite good at capitalizing on those forced bad throws. josh norman was a young pup with some potential, but in over his head when we faced you before. that wasn't a good representation of who josh norman is now. look up what he did in preseason and let me assure you, he's becoming the real deal.


the run D has also taken a step forward with the addition of star and the former packer and seahawk, colin cole (who isn't much against the pass, but has always done well against the run and who is now very healthy). the middle is clogged up and runners have to bounce outside where our stud LB corps of keek, beason, thomas davis, chase blackburn, and aj klein...or quinton mikell (very stout against the run) will pick them up.


speaking of kuechly, watch him against the ravens and watch that defense with him. the beefed up interior gives him and the rest of the LBs freedom to fly all over the place. keek is faster than most. he's stronger than most. he's probably the smartest person on the field. there's a reason that there is legit discussion going on around the league that he is quickly turning into not just one of the best, but the best Mike in the league. beason, before keek was drafted, said in an interview about the draft, forget RG3 and luck...the safest pick in that draft was luke kuechly. little did he know that he was talking up the guy who would replace him.


at any rate, what the new GM did this offseason was give him the personnel he needed to be free to be the elite player he's turning into. again, what you saw when we faced you guys before wasn't at all a good representation of what you'll be seeing on that field on sunday.


oh...and then there's this little thing that hasn't been discussed...special teams. we have ted ginn. we have a legit return guy. one of the best in the league. that's not what we had last year. what you saw in our return game was not a representation of what you saw last year. as a matter of fact, the special teams as a whole is not a good representation of what you saw last year. we fired that lame ST coach we had last year at that point got fired and we replaced him mid season with his assistant who proved to be an upgrade, but in the offseason the team hired bruce dehaven as his assistant. dehaven, if you aren't familiar with him, he's a STs legend in the league having coached some of the best squads for over 20 years. he's had a positive impact on coverage and return units. also, our punter has improved quite a but and the FG kicker we picked up last year has become incredibly reliable as well. the special teams you faced last year isn't a good representation of what they are now.


so pretty much, you may think that your team has improved since last year, esp. from when we played, which i don't doubt. what you may not realize, tho, is that this team has improved...and i feel very safe in assuming this...has improved more than seattle has. as a whole, the team you faced last year isn't a good representation of what you'll be facing on sunday. in fact i think this team is about to shock the league and few will have seen it coming.

#2353265 Listen up Seattle! You are now ON NOTICE!

Posted by rayzor on 03 September 2013 - 02:55 PM

I'll take Golden Tate over Steve Smith any day.



#2348168 Official Panthers Cuts Thread...

Posted by rayzor on 31 August 2013 - 11:19 AM

I really hope MJ white makes the team, never had a player reach out to me like him before.



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#2225245 "Carolina Panthers going nowhere with Ron Rivera, Cam Newton"

Posted by rayzor on 07 May 2013 - 08:41 PM

what i would love is for these clowns that get national attention and get on tv to say that stuff with cam or better yet someone from the panthers there.


he'd never do it, though because he's pretty much a bitch. and yes, i realize that I'm saying that as someone using a pseudonym on a message board, but I'm not the one getting paid for this poo.

#2224615 "Carolina Panthers going nowhere with Ron Rivera, Cam Newton"

Posted by rayzor on 07 May 2013 - 12:06 PM

By Adam Schein


didn't read anything after that.