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#2077637 The Browns are closing in on Chip Kelly

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 09:31 PM

I give you that. By comparison though the Colts had enough foresight to hire both a new GM and Head Coach at the same time when they started over. Whereas we are..the Panthers. Let's keep Hurney another year!

that's where we went wrong.

#2077631 The Browns are closing in on Chip Kelly

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 09:28 PM

Are the Panthers slowly becoming the Browns of the NFC?

not far off.

we've had as many winning seasons since '95 as the bengals, lions, rams, and redskins.

the only teams with less wins than us in that time frame are the browns, cards, and raiders.

the bills, chiefs, and jaguars have all had more winning seasons in that time frame, although the bills have only had one since 2000 and the jags have only had 2 since then.

we've gone as long as the dolphins without a winning season and the only teams to go longer without one are the rams, raiders, jaguars, browns, and bills.

not really great company we're with right now.

#2077559 The Browns are closing in on Chip Kelly

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 09:08 PM

I'm not a big Rivera supporter, even with our wasted win steak after being eliminated from the playoffs. From his clock management to his in game decision making, it can be downright embarrassingly abysmal. That said, I think we have already mishandled this situation entirely if we decide to fire him after wasting all this time.


#2077466 Florio says we're "leaning" towards Dave Gettleman

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 08:29 PM

He doesn't look that fuggin old.

agreed, but he's got a little gray hair and was born before 1990 so he's older than dirt.

#2077462 Ron Rivera ESPN UPDATE The Associated Press

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 08:28 PM

btw...i hate the way this team is being run lately.

they should have started with a clean slate and got rid of fox and hurney at the same time and allow the new GM to help find the new HC. then they finally get rid of the GM they should have gotten rid of and then bring in a new GM without the ability to even have a say in his head coach.

one step forward, one step back.

i swear this is getting ridiculous.

i mean i could see if the HC was winning. i could see if he had a solid history here...but it's a guy with two failed seasons under his belt.


#2077453 Clayton says "thoughts inside the building are Rivera is safe"

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 08:23 PM

there's no way that a coach that delivered two losing seasons in a row should be "safe" at his job.

guy should be hanging by a thread.

#2077444 Florio says we're "leaning" towards Dave Gettleman

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 08:18 PM

Not really surprising. I can see JR favoring the older option every time he interviews a couple candidates. I just think he would trust them with his franchise more so than a younger up and coming GM candidate (Ross).

don't think being older has anything to do with it. gettleman is the most qualified and has the better resume and flat just brings more to the table. the only thing ross has on him is youth. i'd be happy with either, tho.

just no beane.

#2077438 Florio says we're "leaning" towards Dave Gettleman

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 08:16 PM

fine with me, except it was the master poo flinger who said it so.....not putting much stock in it.

#2077231 Ok, you've taken possession of Jerry's soul for the meeting tomorrow...

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 06:20 PM

i don't let him talk. i don't want promises. i don't want excuses.

i want back to back winning seasons. if he isn't winning next year, he's gone.

crap...if he's losing by the bye week he'd be gone.

#2077154 Panthers Defense: Panthers owner 'agonizing' over Rivera's fate

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 05:59 PM

Actually.. the little known part there was that it happened to be a boat.... :startle:

think he had a dinghy dingleberry?

#2077110 Clayton says "thoughts inside the building are Rivera is safe"

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 05:25 PM

if rivera is retained, i'm afraid the bitching has only started

and it will only continue until one of two things happen:

1) rivera gets us in the playoffs and back to back winning seasons
2) rivera is fired.

that's the standard i'm going to be going by, anyway.

if he's losing, i'm hating. he's got to prove he can make this team win when it counts.

#2076913 We should at least take a hard look at Chip Kelly

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 03:33 PM

Don't know the guy's name, and don't feel like looking it up at the moment... But I'll float this out there...

What if* we don't go after Chip Kelly at all, and instead we go after his OC to replace Chud?

Just spit balling and haven't seem this possibility mentioned yet.

his OC doesn't do much. kelly runs the program, runs the offense, and calls the plays. it's his decision making that i want. it's his team management and game management.

#2076686 Spoke with Jim Szoke on the phone...

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 01:44 PM

I just feel like Cam is the type of stud you dont find but once every 25 or 30 years and its asinine for anyone to ignore that

i don't disagree with that. i can just see someone doing it for that reason.

#2076676 We should at least take a hard look at Chip Kelly

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 01:40 PM

Kelly would be great to try as an OC. But I have no idea why everyone wants him as a head coach. Their job is more coordinating coaches, personnel and practice issues, player issues and drafting, game management, etc. He has zero experience at the NFL level. Why would he be better than Rivera who at least had coordinator experience. If you really like what Kelly is doing there, hire his OC as our OC. But Kelly would have a big learning curve just like Rivera had and Schiano did this year.

because of the total program he runs. the practices he runs are considered the best in football at any level by NFL execs. his game management skills are solid just as his team management skills are.

he's getting looked at as a HC by several teams in the NFL because it won't take much for his skill set as a HC to transfer, esp. if, and he has said that his is what is going to happen, he has on his staff assistant coaches with a lot of NFL experience.

for the first couple years, at most, he just needs some advisors to help him adapt and adjust to the new league, but for as smart of a guy as he is it will come naturally.

his OC wouldn't help much because it's the way that he manages games and his decision making and play-calling that sets him apart, in addition to the way he runs a team.

#2076539 We should at least take a hard look at Chip Kelly

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 12:31 PM

he's the next bill walsh, don coryell, ron erhardt/ray perkins or at the very least the next great coach who will accept nothing but greatness from his players and no quarter given to his opponents.

he's the guy that is going to be taking the game to another level. his offense is already being used and half the teams in the playoffs are using similar offenses to his.

we have several teams using the read option quite a bit. we have a team using a no huddle offense. we have a team using his hurry up one word playcalling system.

bits and pieces are being used.

the truth is, though, that it's not all that revolutionary. it's doing what those other innovators did and take what is already being done and build on it.

the read option offense is nothing more than a run first offense, except that instead of the defense knowing who is going to get the ball, they now have to decide between a couple guys.

he runs a run first offense that forces the defense to throw everything they have at it to try and stop it and they make it look like they are going to run it every down (which they do most of the time). when defenses throw everything they have at it, they leave themselves exposed in other areas and the kelly offense is built to take advantage of those weaknesses that have been exposed. the defense never knows what the offense is going to do and they can never tell from how the offense is lined up, because they have all of their plays from their 200+ page playbook coming from just a handful of formations.

and it's not like kelly doesn't use more traditional concepts, either. his running game opens up the passing game and once those two are established, they start using play action, screens, and everything else we are used to seeing...but each time the defenses are trying to set up to stop the run. and the pace at which all this happens gives no time for defenses to get set up or really look to see what kelly's offense is going to do.

so tell me how in the world will this not work? what is it about this run first offense that wouldn't 1) fit our personnel and 2) be effective in the NFL?

it's unproven as a base offense because no one has run it well and even at that, it's far from a given that kelly would even use the read option because that's not what his offense is based on...it's on doing one thing so well that defenses are forced to respect it enough by putting extra men into stopping it, and then make the defense believe that you are going to be running that every play and then using that against them. it's directing the energy of the enemy in a direction of your choosing and then taking advantage of the weaknesses that are exposed and doing it at a pace that is incredibly difficult to keep up with.

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