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#2217920 Anyone catch Smitty this afternoon?

Posted by rayzor on 29 April 2013 - 07:56 PM

When he said QBs don't run....something to that affect.

i think that was more of a knee jerk defensive reaction on your part.

i do think he wants to cut back the amount that cam runs, which is understandable. cutting it all out...nah.

here's what he said:

"Ten of the 12 teams in the playoffs this year had true pocket passers. At the end of the day, the quarterback has to make plays from the pocket. I think the read option is an option. But at the end of the day, your quarterback has got to make plays from the pocket, and if he can't, you're going to struggle."

now is that wrong?

he did say that was something that rivera would be making the call on and he also said that he wanted to see a downhill running game, a vertical offense, and play action. he also said that the read option would still be an option...just not the base. i just don't see the problem. the goal is to make cam more well rounded as a QB, which is something he wants to be, isn't it? didn't he want to not be labeled as a running QB?

i saw this quote from chud recently about newton...

“A lot of those things we actually worked through over the course of the two years,” Chudzinski said. “Going forward, the thing is how long can he keep running as he gets older and as he progresses in his career? It’s one thing to have a college guy doing it. But when a guy’s in his seventh year or eighth year, you want to have transitioned by that time.”




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“He wants to be a great quarterback. So labeling him a running quarterback – he wanted to be labeled as a great quarterback,” Chudzinski said. “He’s hungry. He works hard at it.

“I think he’s come a long way as a passer and his understanding of defenses. It’s amazing what he’s done to this point for a guy that really didn’t have much of a background in a passing offense.”

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you look at the way cam has talked about his goals being a QB what gettleman is doing is trying to create a way for him to be that and win. it's not a desire to move on from cam or even necessarily limit him to just being a pocket passer anymore than some want to limit him to being a read option/running QB.

cam wants to be a complete dominant QB and he wants respect. he knows that it's going to come from his ability to be a good passer as well as all the other elements.

cam has to be able to win from the pocket. he has to develop that aspect even further than he has and you can tell from the work he's done that it is important to him. from his earliest interviews you can tell he wants to do what the great pocket passers can do. he wants to be great and respected as a pocket passer, but he doesn't want to be limited by it nor will he be. and he shouldn't be limited by being a running QB, nor does he want to be. he wants to do what the great pocket passers can do and more.

cutting back on the read option stuff isn't going to cut back on his ability to make things happen and exploit holes in defenses. cutting back on the amount of times he runs isn't a bad thing. it could open things up for when he runs. you make teams respect that arm and that passing game and they can't focus their efforts on him. it also takes a lot of pressure on him to spread the load of productivity to others and it cuts back on the chances he has of getting injured and/or wearing down. he's got other talented ball carriers and he's got several receivers that don't suck...why not use them more than his rushing ability? why should we be so focused on his ability to run the ball instead of just trying to create a well balanced team that can kill defenses three ways from tuesday?

it's no slight on cam. it's no disrespect. it's just trying to make the team the best it can be, not cam a superstar running QB.

#2217918 Anyone catch Smitty this afternoon?

Posted by rayzor on 29 April 2013 - 07:56 PM

From when he was first hired:


yeah it's obvious that gettleman isn't "all in" on cam. smh.

he's a fan.

#2217715 Anyone catch Smitty this afternoon?

Posted by rayzor on 29 April 2013 - 05:33 PM

I also try to let my bias be known...and Gettlemen never rubbed me right so I can admit I probably haven't done my homework on him like I do pieces of our franchise I an enthusiastic about. I kind of immediately have put him in the "not sure about this guy" category the moment I felt he was not "all in" on Cam.

what in the world gave you that idea?

#2217447 Anyone catch Smitty this afternoon?

Posted by rayzor on 29 April 2013 - 02:40 PM

Please recap when it's done.

would like to see a recap as well.

thanks in advance.

#2217445 Anyone catch Smitty this afternoon?

Posted by rayzor on 29 April 2013 - 02:39 PM

show me.

and show me how we'll have enough when he's not on the field for a few games or more.

#2217214 So Many Are Worried About Our Offense...I Just Don't See The Problem

Posted by rayzor on 29 April 2013 - 12:32 PM

Chud's career skyrocketed from TE Coach to NFL Head Coach in a matter of a few years.

Compare that to Shula.

and how long did it take for someone to want to give him another shot at an OC job? sure wasn't a decade.

lot's of hopes and dreams with little to back it up about shula.

#2217132 Panthers select Oregon RB Kenjon Barner

Posted by rayzor on 29 April 2013 - 11:50 AM

but you have to catch him first.

btw, i don't see it as avoiding contact, i see it as avoiding getting into situations where you can be tackled and looming for the path of least resistance to get the most gain on that run...and i don't have a problem with that. not everyone needs to be a battering ram to get where they want to go.

and running upright? he's scoping the field always looking for holes not just in front of him, but downfield. i saw someone say that he runs the ball like a returner and i think that's pretty much on target. he's looking for the best way to get down field and he's quite good at it.

i think he dropped because 1) RBs just aren't worth an early pick because you can get good ones in pretty much any round so they just don't carry the value and 2) because he doesn't run or is built like a traditional RB. he's a tweener like sproles, harvin, and austin. if he was a wideout he would have gone earlier, but he was an RB and used predominantly like one while in oregon. he's just like those other three, tho, because of how many ways he can be used. he's just not prototypical in size or usage...at least not yet. and by that i mean we're going to see more smaller and quick hybrid rb/wrs coming out and getting used more in the pros.

#2216994 Panthers select Oregon RB Kenjon Barner

Posted by rayzor on 29 April 2013 - 10:08 AM

i think this pick up pretty much ensures that the read option isn't going away and it has the gettleman stamp of approval.

cam may not run as much and we may not use the read option as a base, but if you want to be a run heavy team and stay relevant, you've git to incorporate the read option. honestly i can't see why anyone who likes run heavy old school football wouldn't like the read option because it is a run heavy offense that's just plain more effective because it gives more possibilities for whats going to happen on any given play, can get huge chunks of yardage, and can help put more points on the board quicker. but that's a whole other discussion.

some of the knocks against barner are his lack of blocking skills in pass pro and his being too quick to pop to the outside instead of running between the tackles.

in pass pro i think he isn't all that good, but honestly i just think he was the focal point of so much of that offense he really didn't have a chance or opportunity to do much blocking. he was always on the move as a ball carrier, safety valve for the QB, or as a decoy to stay in the backfield. he just didn't spend much time there and honestly i think his talents would have been wasted there blocking. he's just too much of a threat to stay in the backfield. he can do more for the QB by just giving him a reliable target out of the backfield and drawing attention to himself.

i do think that the knock against him not running between the tackles is unjustified, tho. sure, he bounces outside a lot, but he runs up the middle a lot as well. you watch this guy play much and you'll see him taking it up the middle finding the tiniest of holes and breaking through to get big yards and/or get into the end zone.

watching him play the kid has unbelievable vision and a great knack for finding and even setting up opportunities for himself. i don't care what his 40 time shows (not that running the 40 yard dash really matters unless you're trying out for a track team) the guy is incredibly quick and a burner. he's just electric and an opportunist and can get by just about anyone and he's great about making something out of nothing. it's like watching a quicker dwill. he's not as powerful as williams and he doesn't have that killer stiff arm, but he's quicker and just as smart of a runner (or easily could be just as smart).

as a receiver the guy is great. he catches with his hands incredibly well and is great at getting to the ball when it's thrown or placed awkwardly. he didn't line up as a receiver much, but he did it enough to know that he could do it well. i didn't see him get jammed much from what I've watched, but i saw it happen and i saw him handle it well mainly because he's got the ability to get around it and get where he needs to be in a hurry. out of the backfield, tho, is where he's the most lethal. it isn't just screens and slants, but he can do some really deep routes as well. he needs quite a bit of work in learning the route tree, but i think he would be able to, esp. given time with proehl (which he and the RBs all needed to have anyway). he's got great hands tho and is just as magic as anyone with the ball in his hands.

two things that really impress me, tho, that i haven't heard or seen much said is his nose for the end zone and just how much of a workhorse he is.

he got into the end zone 23 times last year. 21 as a rusher. the year before when he was really sharing the load and was essentially a backup to james he got into the end zone 14 times, 11 rushing. the kid just has a nose for the endzone. he can make things happen between the 20s as a rusher or receiver, but he can also make things happen in the red zone and on the goal line. he won't power his way through, but he can find his way in there. he just makes it happen. all he needs is just a little space somewhere and he can find it.

another big thing for me was just how much he was used. i mean he is a workhorse of the highest order. 278 carries last year is crazy. only 12 players had more than that. he had 3 games last year that he carried the ball more than 30 times. and he did that averaging 6.4 yards per carry. over 1700 rushing yards and over 2000 yards total. the guy just flat works and he does it well.

sure, a lot had to do with the system but a system will only work as well as the players you have and their ability to fit it. barner was picked by kelly because he fit what kelly wanted to do. he was fast, could accelerate quickly, turn on a dime, spot holes and hit them really fast and could be used in a lot of ways out of the backfield. he was a perfect fit for kelly's offense and he excelled because of it. the point is, he did well because they made the most of his talents. they didn't ask him to be someone other than who he was. they had a role in mind for him that suited his immense abilities to make things happen when he has the ball. that's what we're going to do here. he won't be the focal point by any means, but he has just too much talent to not be used.

i think he'll be a situational player, but they'll try to find and even create as many situations for him as possible...at least i hope they do anyway. he's nit an every down back, but he's a guy that can and should be worked into what we do on offense because he'll be able to make good things happen when he does.

#2215371 Panthers select Oregon RB Kenjon Barner

Posted by rayzor on 28 April 2013 - 07:07 AM

i swear people have unrealistic expectations for late round picks.

in the late rounds you don't look for starters and you don't look to fill "needs"...that should have been done heading into the draft or with the first or second pick, and after the draft. from third on you just take the best players possible and hope you can use them and that they can be good.

this was a great pick because the kid is uber-talented...on a darren sproles level. be is a steal in regards to the amount of talent and the options he gives a team on special teams and on offense.

people are reading too much into the decision making process at that point. it wasn't part of some plan to move on from dwill. it was just a matter of being opportunistic.

what this addition means, though, is that it it creates much better competition for the return game and makes special teams better. it also adds a scatback that we don't have and someone that fits really well with the read option, and it gives us another good receiver out of the backfield. he could also make dwill and his contract more expendable.

the big thing, tho, is that it gives us another dynamic playmaking option and another TD scorer....which was one of the big things on his list of what a team needs.

he just makes the team better if he works out and if he doesn't, then hey...it was JUST A SIXTH ROUNDER!!!!!!!!! chill peeps.

#2207389 Anyone else think Vaccaro would be a terrible pick?

Posted by rayzor on 25 April 2013 - 03:03 PM

considering the respect i have so far for gettleman's judgement and player assessment skill...if he picks him, i'm happy and thrilled with the potential. he's not my favorite pick, but until gettleman fails in player eval i'm going to trust his judgement.

if gettleman picks him, he was the best player on the board.

#2206550 For the love of everything holy, please stop talking about "tape"

Posted by rayzor on 25 April 2013 - 08:41 AM

RAAAAAGGGGEEE against people saying they watched tape. RRRRAAAAAGGGGGGEEEE AGAINST IT!!!!!

FIGHT the infidel!!!!!!!!!

seriously, who cares? lol silly little soap boxes.

#2205746 Late round OL prospects

Posted by rayzor on 24 April 2013 - 04:23 PM

Ideally, for me, our 4th rounder would be the top remaining OG.

i would love to have every year the first 2-3 rounds be skill positions and the next 2-3 rounds be dedicated to drafting the best/biggest trench guys available and then the last round or two be used for trades for vets.

#2205304 I'll be outraged if the Panthers don't put up historical rushing numb...

Posted by rayzor on 24 April 2013 - 11:01 AM

Ugh, tell that to Jim and John Harbaugh, Pete Carroll, and Gary Kubiak...just sayin', hell the Vikings made it with Adrian Peterson/Christian Ponder...you think with our stable of backs and Cam we can't run our way along with our established passing game into the post-season...

Passing teams that didn't do jack in the playoffs include--Green Bay, New England, Atlanta,

ugh yourself.

how long did it take kubiak to win? and where would they be were it not for their stud D? and their passing O was pretty good. 11th overall compared to having the 8th best rush so they were pretty balanced, but they ran a lot and ran well because they had control of the games.

jim harbaugh's team won because of balance. dominant defense and dominant opportunisitic offense with a kaepernick rushing threat, but they ran a lot and ran well because they had control of games.

john harbaugh's team was held back until flacco turned into a QB passing superstar heading into the playoffs. they wouldn't have even gone to the superbowl had it not been for them becoming a pass heavy team. but yes, they ran well and they ran a lot throughout the years because they had control of games.

pete carroll...won because that defense gave them a ton of opportunities, kept them with good field position, and kept other teams out of the endzone, ie...they ran because they had control of games.

oh...about the pats not doing jack int he playoffs? who'd they beat? kubiak's team.

and the packers who didn't do jack? you must have forgotten that they beat the team with the 2nd most rushing yards, 8th most rushing attempts, and 9th most rushing TDs in the league to get to the second round. and the seahawks beating the falcons? do you realize how much they passed the ball in that game?

#2205091 Is the media ready to build Cam back up again?

Posted by rayzor on 24 April 2013 - 07:41 AM

the W-L column will build him up or continue to tear him down. if the team doesn't win, then regardless of how well he does the media is going to talk down about him. if the team wins, they'll be riding his jock.they like to attach themselves to winners and tear down losers.

he had it easy his rookie year because he was a novelty and set records, but that has worn off and been replaced by young mobile QBs who set records as well managed to land on teams that won instead of teams that excelled in making excuses for losing.

#2204829 ESPN or NFLN?

Posted by rayzor on 23 April 2013 - 09:52 PM

who the hell is mel kiper?

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