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#1861282 Excellent In-Depth NFL.com Article On Our Running Game

Posted by rayzor on 16 August 2012 - 01:16 PM

.....and our RBs rushed the ball less than anytime in franchise history most likely last year (would have to double check it).

We need to continue to run. We don't need to line up in power run formations and pound the rock more making the overall offense less dangerous.

I am just amazed that Newton came in and did his thing.....and the first thing people want to do is reduce his role and emphasize going back to old school football.

the problem is that you incorrectly think that people want to go back to old school football. it's balanced football using all the weapons in their arsenal...and it isn't reducing the role newton has. it's building up the pieces around it and being able to make the team even more diverse and dynamic than it would be with newton and just one or two joe schmoes back there getting the once in a while hand off.

it's just crazy to have all of that talent on the team and not use all of it to it's fullest.

again, newton isn't the only talented performer...we shouldn't act like he is. get as many people involved as possible. make as many people as possible the focus so that defenses can be better taken advantage of. use what you've got.

#1861156 Is Albert Haynesworth worth a look?

Posted by rayzor on 16 August 2012 - 11:44 AM

Ok! What about the Pats? Don't say they're a 3-4 team. They switched to the 4-3.

correct. they did it in large part because they had haynesworth.

since being a titan he's been lazy and sucked and been let go from three teams. each team made the mistake that they could be one that he could thrive in. the last two thought that they could do for him what the redskins couldn't. he whined about being in a 3-4 and was given two 4-3 teams and proved that scheme wasn't the problem. it was him.

#1861147 Excellent In-Depth NFL.com Article On Our Running Game

Posted by rayzor on 16 August 2012 - 11:35 AM

What the blind eyes don't understand is the ability for all three of the guys to catch the ball out of the backfield. Checkdown options and screens with the potential for a ton of YAC. Who needs an elite 2nd WR when you have three guys you can create plays for?

it's not just that, but the variety in option plays we could be running.

wishbone, wing t, flexbone (and i like any of the RBs and tolbert to fit in as the slotback), or nebraska I...all of it is fair game and will likely be seen quite frequently. we have all the elements to make those plays successful along with all the elements needed for a spread option. you want to stick with a more "traditional" norv turner coryell....sure, we've got that as well.

the playbook is going to be wide open and will probably have some formations and elements that we've never seen or heard of before.

again, it doesn't matter what the rest of the league is doing or what are more recent "tried and true" offensive schemes. this team has a range of talent in it's personnel that is really unmatched in the league and a mad scientist for an OC who likes to build around the talents of the players at his disposal. that is more than just cam. is he the most talented on the team? oh yeah. he's not the only talented one, though. we shouldn't act like he is. and we won't. it's going to be very balanced and incredibly creative.

#1861109 Excellent In-Depth NFL.com Article On Our Running Game

Posted by rayzor on 16 August 2012 - 10:41 AM

what is scarier?

a team where newton is the whole offense or one where he is just one part of it?

again, that isn't downplaying newton's role or ability...it's trying to have all parts of the team be excellent.

we have who could very well be the best and most dynamic QB in the league with a skill set that no one has ever come close to. that in itself is scary.

combine with that what could be the most powerful RB corps the league has ever seen...not the best because of newton, but because of the personnel. already williams and stewart were considered if not the best, one of the top couple RB tandems in the league. add tolbert to that and there is nothing that comes close to matching it.

newton makes for an incredible offense.
newton + williams/stewart/tolbert makes for a much better offense.

what would you be more scared of?

and it's not like it's even limited to just that...we've got smitty and olsen and lafell along with some potentially very good young WRs. i absolutely love the potential threat in murphy. gettis, and adams. if any one or two of those prove to be anything close to what they are capable of and cam can keep getting the ball to them i would put up this WR corps against any in the league and feel good about it.

what you have the makings of is not just one of the most complete offenses in the league, but the most powerful and dynamic ever. i just don't know why you'd want to limit it at all.

#1861033 Excellent In-Depth NFL.com Article On Our Running Game

Posted by rayzor on 16 August 2012 - 09:21 AM

a preseason game? lol no thanks.

didn't say or imply that newton's running would go away.

again, the less we have to put on cam's shoulders, the better this team will be.

newton is the most important part of this offense and it is centered on his abilities, but it isn't all about him. just like rivera said...they can't make it all about him. they have to give him and the offense as many weapons as possible and use them all with frequency. the RBs will continue to be a vital part of the offense. not THE vital part, but a vital one that is crucial to this teams success and ability to dominate it's opponents.

i don't care what peyton and the colts did or what other teams in the league are doing. the panthers are doing things differently than any other team in the league because of what newton can do, but it's what the other players bring to the table and the amount they are used that will take it over the top. if you are going to have RBs running the ball, why not have the best RB corps possible? if you are going to have that quality of corps and pay them that much, why not have them involved more? why limit the offense at all?

rivera said what he said. i'm taking it at face value that he doesn't want cam to carry the team by himself. he doesn't want it to be all about him.

#1861006 Cam Newton Gatorade Bottle **Limited Edition**

Posted by rayzor on 16 August 2012 - 08:54 AM

does it come with a free towel on top?

#1860994 Excellent In-Depth NFL.com Article On Our Running Game

Posted by rayzor on 16 August 2012 - 08:47 AM

I feel you rayzor....but this offense is going to be about Cam Newton. They want to take some of the pressure off his shoulders, sure. But everthing is going to go through Cam. It is the type QB he is. Seen it at the JC level, the SEC, and it didn't skip a beat in NFL......nothing suggests that is going change.

Like Ron said, they have to try to support him.

There is also a great article on NFL.com about how QBs will run more this year. Teams defending the pass with smaller defenders and it sets up great for athletic QBs that don't have to worry about big LBs and secondary players of years ago. QBs getting more athletic and the defense getting smaller = worrying less about your QB getting beat up and easy yards.

you keep saying

this offense is going to be about Cam Newton

but he said...

We've got to make sure that it's not just about him.

rivera smokescreen? rivera ill informed?

the RBs are going to be involved a whole lot more than what you think they will be and more than you think should. it's smart to have the RB corps we have and it will make the offense better than if it was just cam running the ball. it gives them more options...more lethal options. it gives the team a better chance of winning and it limits the amount of beating cam gets. it just makes too much sense to not have them around and heavily involved. it in no way limits the offense. it's not holding it back. it's not keeping the offense back in the '90's or whatever. it's just smart use of the weapons...all the weapons on this offense.

rivera doesn't want his offense to be all about cam. i seriously doubt they want him to be the primary ball carrier or even have more carries than williams and stewart. i seriously doubt they want the run game to take a significant back seat to the passing game. they are striving for balance.

#1860971 Excellent In-Depth NFL.com Article On Our Running Game

Posted by rayzor on 16 August 2012 - 08:15 AM

In 2011, RBs carried the ball only 307 times.

Name the last time our RBs had fewer? Name 4 NFL teams whose RBs carried it less last year.

We are a Cam Newton offense. The RBs are complimentary role players now.

"How much better can he get?" second-year coach Ron Rivera says, sitting in a lounge during the lunch hour. "Much better. But as the case is with any franchise quarterback, we have to do our part to support him with protection, weapons, a running game. You can't expect him to rush for 80 yards and throw for 300 yards every game. We've got to make sure that it's not just about him."

#1860719 Excellent In-Depth NFL.com Article On Our Running Game

Posted by rayzor on 15 August 2012 - 08:36 PM

it's about imposing their will on the other team.

they'll kill you with a relentless battering ram on the ground or kill you through the air. this offense will be the most destructive in the league by the end of the year...and we'll still have people complaining about the attention to the ground game saying it's a passing league.

#1860693 Insightful Smitty Article on Yahoo Sports

Posted by rayzor on 15 August 2012 - 08:06 PM

ok...just read the whole thing and it was very enlightening.

fox leaving was almost as good a thing for the panthers as drafting newton. i'm more sure of that now than ever.

one of the coolest part of the article was this:

"In practice, there are no easy catches with Steve," Rivera says. "On the balls that you'd think would be right to him, he'll spin, or fall away from the ball and try to catch it back behind his body, or take a different angle and lunge at it. It took awhile, but I finally figured it out and told him, 'I'm onto you – you don't make the easy catch in practice; you're trying to make the hard catch.' I'm telling you, some of the catches in practice would make ESPN's Top 10."

that's one of the things that makes him one of the best in the league.

#1860683 Insightful Smitty Article on Yahoo Sports

Posted by rayzor on 15 August 2012 - 07:52 PM

As the Panthers, owners of the NFL's lowest-rated passing offense, sputtered through a lifeless, 2-14 campaign, opposing players offered Smith condolences and made outright overtures for his services.
"I had guys telling me, 'Hey, come over to my team, we could use you over here,' " Smith recalled Tuesday from Wofford College, the Panthers' training camp home. "This was during games."

it's not surprising but it still hit me a little hard.

#1860100 Why?

Posted by rayzor on 15 August 2012 - 10:16 AM

This thread is st00pid.

Am I doing it right?

it's 'stupid' you moran.

#1860083 8/15 training camp twitter thread

Posted by rayzor on 15 August 2012 - 10:05 AM

Beason ? Still ?

Hogan needs to get something fixed or IR or something. Has he had a practice ?

not sure how much it matters with beason. no need to rush.

no comment on hogan.

#1860058 Jstew is too talented.

Posted by rayzor on 15 August 2012 - 09:45 AM

in before comments about how that's a stupid reason to give a guy a contract.

#1860043 Why?

Posted by rayzor on 15 August 2012 - 09:29 AM

I disagree w/ like 5 things. Those 5 just cause people in engage heavily. So those few things are all I really spend much time w/.

I mean Luke was fun to talk about when I wanted him drafted and 95% of the board crapped all over it. Now? Everyone loves him. Which is great. We are all excited about it......but talking with people more than one or two posts about how great Luke is, is pretty boring.

i know. i was just messing.

to a point i agree about everyone agreeing being boring but considering how crazy and rough many people's lives are, boring and positivity are nice escapes. it's good having someone like newton that everyone can be excited about. i wouldn't object at all to having more stuff like that to talk about. i get tired of whining and complaining about so many things...from myself and others. it's just exhausting. life's got enough crap in it all by itself without focusing on the crap in panther land. i try to keep my fandom as stress free for myself on non-gamedays as possible.

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