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  1. Yes, RBs do--and that is why they hit the wall at age 27-8. ("According to this data, the word "old" means 28 for a running back, 30 for a receiver, and 32 for a quarterback. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/articles/age.htm This is probably not a surprise, as it squares fairly well with conventional wisdom.") To assume a QB is not vulnerable to hits like a RB is not a safe assumption. Most of the QBs that last past 32 are not running QBs. So if the average "old age" for a QB is 32 and the average "old age" for a RB is 28, would you be willing to agree that RUNNING QB--the one who has absorbed more hits than anyone else in the NFL---would fall somewhere between? I do not know how you could argue otherwise. "The NFL is a deeply unfair league. One hit can end a career, and if you take 1,235 of them, it gets hard to avoid the type of hit that could change your career. " Cam has been hit far more often and more viciously than other NFL QBs. See article: https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/11/6/20951102/cam-newton-panthers-legacy-nfl-injured-reserve So comparing Cam to a RB is more fair than it is not fair. This article in ESPN in 2016 is prophetic: "Newton runs the ball much more than any other quarterback and gets hit much more than any other quarterback, and we'd all be fools if we failed to make a connection there. This is who Newton is, and it's who the Carolina Panthers ask him to be. But maybe it's time to think about changing things up a little bit. " https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17747117/superman-simply-takes-too-many-hits-cam-newton-panthers-think-nfl-2016 Here is 1 game--tell me which of these hits features Cam in a position to absorb a hit as well or better than a RB. If you think 10 hits on a QB is equal to half of 20 hits to a RB--you are not seeing the same contact I am:
  2. He had to throw shorter passes because he lost the long ball. RBs are in better position to take a hit. When a QB gets hit, it is often when they are upright with an arm over their heads. Their feet are preparing to pass, not be hit. Cam got figured out--when the defenses realized he had no arm left (for whatever reason), they feasted. and that year was averaged into his career percentage.
  3. Excuses can be factual. Here are some facts too: Did you know that Super Bowl you all mention to cite Cam's greatness-The defense had a +20 turnover margin. That season, the next highest NFL team was +9. It was a freak year--for the DEFENSE. A +20 turnover margin is like getting a free possession every game--and 2 free possessions for 4 games. The defense/special teams scored 5 TDs (30 points) that season. That helped them lead the league in scoring. In addition, The 2015 Panthers ranked 11th in overall offense (366.9 YPG), first in scoring (31.3 PPG), sixth in overall defense (322.9 YPG), and sixth in points allowed (19.1 PPG). Cam's passing percentage that year? 59.8%. Cam was awesome that year--but all teams, all QBs have weak coaches and soft spots on the roster. The reason Cam was awesome, if I could point to one thing--was the deep ball. He has not had it for some time.
  4. You bring up a great point--what a soap opera--but only for us. Tepper knows what he is doing--we don't. All signs point to a trade--but we shall see. There is always a twist--and people from SC like you who know Chubby Checker (birthplace) understand a good twist. I reached for that one.
  5. You cannot win with a 59% passer unless you have a dual threat. If Cam comes back, he will find that, at 31, his running is not as effective as it was in 2015, when he was about 26. Running backs hit the wall at age 27/28. Cam has been hit an average of 10 times per game---far more than any other QB. He will throw the ball away more and not run as much--he will slide and not bowl over a DB like he once did. He will get rid of the ball sooner. If he "stays the same," he will stay injured. He will become frustrated because his running can't bail him out like it once did. His arm will not be as lively as it once was. To me, I think Tepper gets that and is ready to move on. In other words--he will not be the same player he was at 26.
  6. The problem here is based on a few assumptions that are erroneous in nature: 1. What you or I think about Cam's future does not matter--the analysis is to attempt to read the tea leaves. So personal attacks over alternative opinions are stupid. What is there to suggest Cam is coming back? (there is an argument--and what you think is not part of it). What is there to suggest they will trade him? (If you cannot make that argument, you are too biased). I could make the argument for both sides--based on facts. When you use a term like "common sense," may I ask by whose standard? 2. The team is not obligated to pay Cam $35m if he has a good 2020---should he stay. Again--not what you or I think---does that fit the plan? The 7-year contract? The long-range transformation? If Cam were to stay in 2020, does that mean he is back? If so, does that mean a 32-year old 59% passer who can't run as well as he used to is the centerpiece for a rebuild? You can argue both sides, but if you are unwilling to represent the other side because you think you have cornered the market on "Common Sense" then you have adopted a philosophy that what you think is right and all that oppose your emotions are wrong. That is bias---it is OK to have it and admit it, but do not call it "common sense."
  7. But the rumor is we are making "unsolicited calls" now (whatever that means for sure). Unless we are simply testing the interest levels--but is that not tampering?
  8. Maybe we could get a first if healthy, but I do not see it. Now (if the rumors of Marty shopping Cam now are true) we would be lucky to get a third. Word is out that he will pass--so if we could get a late first/early second, great. If we could get a first, then it won't be LAC or Miami. Someone who can't get a QB early and needs one--the Raiders, Bucs, or Colts in the middle---Maybe the Patriots. We will see--I am guessing a second to Indy/LA Raiders/or Chicago--lot to happen first--if Cam works out well.
  9. Mond could be next year's darkhorse. Not as much as Burrow was this season, but I could see him compete for the #3 spot.
  10. Funny---I talked to Armanti Edwards after OTA practice after he was drafted---He was very open. He told me that he was overwhelmed by the new position (punts/WR) and all the little nuances of route running. I asked him if Smitty was helping him---he said, "I ain't talked to him too much about it." Smitty saw all WRs as competition. That was the draft Marty went Solo. Remember when Clausen was third team in camp and Fox got pressured to move him up to #2? I was at the camp in Spartanburg, and Armanti dropped a jugs punt and then Clausen overthrew him. He made some sarcastic comment to another coach about the rookies. Of course, Fox was a lame duck at the time.
  11. 2015: 2018/19: I get what you are saying---but this is how Management sees Cam. Cam has spent half of his current contract on the sideline or playing hurt. They are having the same discussion in Pittsburgh, fwiw. Big Ben has been hit 50% less than Cam over his much longer career, but there is a lot of debate about him moving on.
  12. Without a big WR, The TE position is important--especially as a checkdown for a new QB--if that is what happens.
  13. I would agree, but with DT (3t and 1t), OL, CB, S, DE, QB, WR, etc--and the weak TE draft, TE may be addressed in Free agency---we shall see.
  14. Fair enough--let's play. There were other reasons in the media, and interviews that revealed speculation that Thomas was in RR's dog house, but this is what I meant more than anything else: Have you ever been the third string player? During the season, do you know how much attention a #3 gets? On an individual basis, a very small percentage. Yes, you attend skull sessions and hear group directives- you run through the drills and the coach might give you a tip, but most of the help you get is from other players or on your own---you watch film by yourself, work on the jugs machine after practice, and you study the play book. You do not get to go against the #1s much, and you get about 20% of the reps the #1 gets in practice. Heck, a lot of the time the position coach is talking to the #1 when the #3s are getting their scattered reps. To assume a #3 in RR's doghouse was getting coached up is simply not real world. Olsen was--Manhertz was--Thomas? again, gets about a fifth of the attention. I watched OTAs every year for a decade. I noticed that the longshots were not given a lot of attention. Even after making the roster, the week-to-week is focused on game planning with the players that will be in the game. So that is what I meant.
  15. Like Kurt Warner and Jake Delhomme? I think they are talking about the 90-man roster, not the 53--yet.
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