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GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER

"So what about this is objectively wrong?" (pg. 84 title change)

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I joined the military because I didn't want to go to college right out of High School, wanted to get the hell out of my hometown, and do something interesting. I certainly didn't join because i wanted to kill people or be a badass or anything like that.

And I didn't know a ton of people that joined to kill people, or blow poo up, or "defend freedom", but I understand 9/11 compelled a lot of people to do just that. And I was in the Navy and in subs so I acknowledge there were a lot of people that would be considered out of the mainstream of people that join the military.

The military is just another option for people that are looking at their opportunities and picking the one that makes the most sense to them. Personally I would rather see it a lot smaller than it is, with less need for warm bodies and more of a professional group overall.

 

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29 minutes ago, 332nd said:

Meh, they'll say they feared for their lives & get off. 

Just like teachers will be doing soon.

Huh? What's this got to do with teachers?

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1 hour ago, cookinwithgas said:

I joined the military because I didn't want to go to college right out of High School, wanted to get the hell out of my hometown, and do something interesting. I certainly didn't join because i wanted to kill people or be a badass or anything like that.

i don't understand how this is an excuse. people act like the ones who join in order to use black and brown people around the globe as target practice are "psychopaths" but what then would you call someone who joins the most destructive force on the planet because they're bored and want to explore the world?

behind every single defense of the "good" troops you'll find a defense of american intervention. is it supposed to be comforting to the people of fallujah that at least some of the troops who slaughtered them were only there because they wanted to see the world? wanted to "get the hell out of their hometown"? couldn't afford college?

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1 hour ago, PanthersBigD said:

Huh? What's this got to do with teachers?

If teachers get armed to protect the kids from school shooters  I doubt it'll be long before a teacher is in court insisting that they feared for their life so they had to shoot that unarmed teen.

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4 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

i don't understand how this is an excuse.

Because it's not one. It's an explanation.

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3 hours ago, CarolinaCoolin said:

being a cop in America and joining the military may have some similiarites but they are different

i agree. a big difference is troops get away with a lot more killing. every troop who "served" in the illegal invasion and occupation of iraq has the blood of hundreds of thousands (and by some estimates, millions) of innocent people. there are so many built-in defenses of these murders that fuging no one faces consequences for them outside of the few particularly stupid troops who really manage to hurt the military's relentless PR campaign. "young, poor, impressionable youths" were "just following orders" throughout our history and yet for some reason the people who gave those orders never seem to face consequences. turns out no one's actually to blame, if you go by american and international (i.e. american) legal outcomes.

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26 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

i don't understand how this is an excuse. people act like the ones who join in order to use black and brown people around the globe as target practice are "psychopaths" but what then would you call someone who joins the most destructive force on the planet because they're bored and want to explore the world?

behind every single defense of the "good" troops you'll find a defense of american intervention. is it supposed to be comforting to the people of fallujah that at least some of the troops who slaughtered them were only there because they wanted to see the world? wanted to "get the hell out of their hometown"? couldn't afford college?

that's a sociopath

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Things have changed in the decades after the inflation of the armed forces through conscription during the Vietnam “war” (read: Genocide) and the subsequent defeat and deflation. In the transition to a primarily volunteer force, something counterintuitive to the first-worldist left occurred. The first-worldist left expected the military to be utilized as some kind of refuge for the poor periphery of the united $tates population. However that is not what happened. Especially in the decade after 9/11, the military has transitioned into a gun club for amerikkka’s wide-eyed middle class sons. The imperialist volunteer vengeance force that was raised to fight international “terrorism” in the Muslim countries of Iraq and Afghanistan (as well as those who were trained to rain missiles on a dozen more) were less and less the victims of a “poverty draft” which had been imagined into existence by those who remembered the inequities of conscription and service in the 1960s.

This has been documented by the neo-conservative Heritage Foundation in their study on the recruitment demographics of the united $tates military, which found that only about 10-11% of the united $tates military recruits come from the poorest quintile (defined as making less than $33,000 annually), with a fourth of the military coming from areas whose median income is more than $65,000 annually.[1] They gathered this information using addresses of personnel at the time of recruitment, which has faced much criticism by those who argue for the existence of a poverty-draft. What problems do they see with this method? Well, according to the Boise Weekly the statistics are unreliable because “[m]any recruits are college dropouts who list their last address—their college dorm—when they sign up”, which they believe would provide an inflated statistical portrait of average income.[2] They assert that this is the case without actually presenting any evidence.

As for the validity of the claim that, by and large, the military is made up of college dropouts who use their college residence as their permanent address: that is already a questionable assertion. It also raises questions about the kind of people they assume are “forced into the military by poverty” who are still equipped with the financial support to move out on their own to attend university. Furthermore, their label of “uneducated” seems a hardly fitting descriptor for a military which does not accept people without a highschool diploma.[3] This is a deliberate deception; their assertions rarely contain vital evidence and rely on definitions of “education” that hardly fit the bill. Even more interestingly, this article assumes that those who do not finish college or do not attend must automatically be poor and forced into the military for that reason. This assumption is further jeopardized by the fact that most amerikans have not earned a college degree. It is true that the Heritage Foundation, being quasi-fascist troop-worshippers, have their own motives for promoting a class-collaborationist and prosperous image of the military, however we judge their study on its merits rather than the inconvenience of its results.

Moving to the question of race in the military, it should not be surprising at this point that it is dominated by white people, who hold a numerical majority in every branch. Dealing with recruits, the study finds that Black recruits are overrepresented by 4% when compared to the overall population of Black youth aged 18-24, while at the same time white recruits are overrepresented by 5%. The only notably overrepresented group among recruits are Indigenous people, by almost 300% (though still making up only 2% of the total recruits). One must question whether these figures imply the armed forces are any less white-dominated with whites representing a 65% majority among new recruits during the height of the Iraq war.[4] However the traditional first-worldist claim is that the military disproportionately composed of the poor and nationally oppressed who are the primary targets for recruiters. This claim is put in further jeopardy by the fact that as a whole, veterans are half as likely to live in “poverty” by u.$. standards, and in fact have consistently higher incomes than non-veterans.[5]

However, this does not even recognize or attempt to explain why there is an ongoing deflation of the armed forces. This reflects a potentially more revealing trend in the development of the armed forces of the imperialist core; a strategic shift in the imperialist military program after the double-defeat in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hands of the national resistance forces. With the intense mechanization of the military and strategic shifts in its campaigns, it has become politically useful to narrow down the military into a highly technical force, a force with access to some of the most expensive and destructive equipment in the world with which to maintain its military domination. Whereas before it seemed that just about anyone was eligible for military service, so long as they fit into very loose guidelines, it is now much more difficult to get accepted, with 80% of applicants being turned down.[6]

 

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The few progressive and revolutionary organizations which have historically been made up of veterans have necessarily rejected amerikan military interests, and have made up a nearly insignificant minority of those who served. Even in the 1960’s and 70’s when organizations such as the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) were passing out leaflets detailing the genocidal crimes of the amerikans in Vietnam, the actual number of veteran supporters of the organization famously represented by arch-imperialist John Kerry only numbered roughly 30,000 by their own estimates—less than half those soldiers killed in Vietnam, and less than .5% of all veterans having served in-country during the Vietnam war.[10][11] However if we were to turn now to the contemporary examples of veteran peace organizations such as the Iraq Veterans Against the War (which also includes those veterans serving in Afghanistan) we would see ~2000 members throughout 61 chapters in the united $tates.[12] What’s more, IVAW cannot claim even an iota of VVAW’s praise, having organized many of their activities around ensuring soldiers gain better access to health services overseas and even going so far as to front a fundraising campaign to supply soldiers heading to Iraq and Afghanistan with better helmets and body armor.[13] These campaigns are nothing short of imperialist solidarity with the war effort despite whatever “anti-war” rhetoric they may be promoting.

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https://anti-imperialism.org/2016/12/08/legionnaires-defeating-the-soldiertariat-myth/

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7 minutes ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

that's a sociopath

that's why i say that behind every defense of the "good" troop lurks a defense of every single intervention. committing yourself to literally waging war so that you can travel or have your college paid for seems way worse than the white collar crimes that progressive liberals get upset about. i'd rather someone give me a predatory loan than agree to kill me when called upon in exchange for some financial aid lol

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3 hours ago, Fryfan said:

It may be almost a decade old, but this leaked Delta Force training video is what aspiring ass-kickers walking into a recruiter’s office dream of.

Leaked at the height of the Iraq War and a year after the 2007 troop surge under then-President George W. Bush, the eight-minute video clip is, according to We Are The Mighty, one of the only publicly available videos showing training from 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta ― the elite operators are seen touting the weapons, gear, and tactics that make them among the most lethal warriors in the U.S. military.

And boy, this video has everything: quick-draw gun antics, aggressive tactical driving, high altitude jumps, some sniping from helicopter doors and, last but not least, highly trained, would-be Deltas breaching every structure in sight. Oh, and it’s scored to AC/DC’s Shoot to Thrill?!?!?! SIGN ME THE fug UP!!!

According to We Are The Mighty, rumors circulated among the military and veterans community as the time of the video’s publication suggesting that the video was leaked by Delta Force itself to bolster recruiting amid increasing burnout and casualties incurred during the opening years of the Global War on Terror. And if that’s the case, the 1st SFOD-D did a damn fine job.

 

 

Fuuuuuuuuuuuck. I came three times watching this. If we can get a recruiter to promise unlimited Skoal and Monster then sign me up, boy!

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36 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

"c'mon dude i just wanted to like see the world and stuff" - a cog in the american killing machine

"You're a murderer but I'm not going to do anything about it other than babble on the internet" - a cog in the american CT machine.

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1 minute ago, 332nd said:

"You're a murderer but I'm not going to do anything about it other than babble on the internet" - a cog in the american CT machine.

seems more ethical than enlisting for a vacation but hey im glad it only took you like 2 whole posts before you began shifting the conversation away from the precious troops and toward one of like 3 posters on this entire forum who wont lick troop boots

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