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Jeremy Igo

Quarterback Possibilities for the Carolina Panthers

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1 hour ago, XOBlackxJokerOX said:

Did anybody read further than the first part? I know it's early but damn...

Wasn't responding about the second part and all about taking the shoulder injury too seriously.  Can't really say treat it like Luck and say it's not serious.  Treating it like Luck is 1 to 2 more years without Cam as a starting QB.  That sounds serious.  Yes your second part about getting a FA and drafting a QB could ease the issue but it's still serious.

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6 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

If Marty Hurney is drafting, I don't want to waste a pick on one of his QB choices. No Stefan Lefors, Jimmy Clausens, Armanti Edwards, etc., etc.. 

However now that Norv is probably getting more draft pick input, maybe all is not lost. 

 

we can only pray and hope.

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Hey guys, did you hear Cam Newton couldn't throw a ball 20 yards?

Click click click click click.

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1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

You do realize that Cam could not throw a ball 20 yards in December, right? 

Let's be honest here, he hasn't been able to do it for two years. Hes literally gone from a top 5 deep ball QB to a bottom 5 deep ball QB. 

 

0 for on throws over 30 yards last two seasons

25 completions on over what 90-100 attempts over 20 yards last two seasons. 

 

His shoulder is damaged goods, if Rivera and Hurney were smart they'd use a 1st or 2nd on a qb either via draft or trade. 

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2 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

First off, to all the overly emotional knee jerk Cam Newton fans

 

2 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

A QB unable to throw the ball 20 yards

 

1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

You do realize that Cam could not throw a ball 20 yards

 

1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I am a Panthers fan first and foremost.

Are the longtime huddlers here going to have the balls to say something about this or what?

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1 minute ago, carpanfan96 said:

Let's be honest here, he hasn't been able to do it for two years. Hes literally gone from a top 5 deep ball QB to a bottom 5 deep ball QB. 

 

0 for on throws over 30 yards last two seasons

25 completions on over 80 attempts over 20 yards last two seasons. 

 

His shoulder is damaged goods, if Rivera and Hurney were smart they'd use a 1st or 2nd on a qb either via draft or trade

yes... in the 2020 draft.

Further, if your thinking logically and we assume that the arm really is long-term-toast, than you must consider the possibility of trading him.

'but a team won't trade for a Cam Newton with a bum arm'.

They have doctors that would do evaluations, sure.  But mistakes are made by front offices all the time.  We present a Cam at 80% to a Jacksonville, Washington, Miami, NY etc.  Teams that could use a starting QB and may consider the risk of a hurt MVP at 29 better than a 21 year old college player... There is value to be had.  Hell, he would sell as a tip-tier backup (Nick Foles).  He would sell as someone to shelve, until healthy, on teams with aging/good QBs.

What is that value, I wonder? 

The market will dictate it, of course. Something is only worth what others are willing to pay for it... or you are willing to buy it for.

I'd argue, with what we know if the injury, that he is worth Kalil Mack compensation. 

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2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

 

 

 

Are the longtime huddlers here going to have the balls to say something about this or what?

I would but he's right and it's actually worse, Cam hasnt been able to throw deep for two full seasons now. He's admitted that he has limited range of motion and severe muscle fatigue and no one knows why...

 

dont see any way that's not a major concern. 

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2 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

I would but he's right and it's actually worse, Cam hasnt been able to throw deep for two full seasons now. He's admitted that he has limited range of motion and severe muscle fatigue and no one knows why...

 

dont see any way that's not a major concern. 

Bullshit. He nearly bested Drew Brees in NO in the playoffs in 2017 if not for a receiving corps full of practice squaders.

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If next draft is stronger at qb then roll with a backup or undrafted qb then everyone is fired yay then we get a high pick in the strongest qb draft done

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zero point in wasting a mid to late round  pick at QB.

You will discover this season  if you need a successor. A mid to late round pick isn't a successor. And since he isn't going to play like a grizzled veteran who leads your team to super bowl glory, he possesses zero value.

That's one less pick you have to rebuild the defense/trade away to make a run at an actual successor next season.

You don't just acquire the resources to move up to the 1st pick in the draft without some foresight.

 

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8 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Bullshit. He nearly bested Drew Brees in NO in the playoffs in 2017 if not for a receiving corps full of practice squaders.

Yet its a verifiable fact

 

he's near last among qualifying QB's on throws over 20 yards the last two seasons and hasn't completed a ball over 30 yards. 

It's also a verifiable fact that Cam Newton mentioned that no one knows what's wrong with his shoulder and that he has limited range of motion. 

 

It's a verifiable fact that the Panthers were near dead last this season in throws over 20 yards and only completed 30% of those throws. Multiple attempts were made and completed in the games Cam didn't play otherwise that percentage would be lower.

 

Cam was 29th among QB's on throws over 20 yards this season and 0-13 on throws over 30 yards. Last among Qb's in td rating on deep throws. 

 

I could go on but it's pointless and I'm one of the biggest Cam fans on this forum. 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, carpanfan96 said:

Yet its a verifiable fact

 

he's near last among qualifying QB's on throws over 20 yards the last two seasons and hasn't completed a ball over 30 yards. 

It's also a verifiable fact that Cam Newton mentioned that no one knows what's wrong with his shoulder and that he has limited range of motion. 

 

It's a verifiable fact that the Panthers were near dead last this season in throws over 20 yards and only completed 30% of those throws. Multiple attempts were made and completed in the games Cam didn't play otherwise that percentage would be lower.

 

Cam was 29th among QB's on throws over 20 yards this season and 0-13 on throws over 30 yards. Last among Qb's in td rating on deep throws. 

 

I could go on but it's pointless and I'm one of the biggest Cam fans on this forum. 

 

 

 

 

Neither of us have a crystal ball. It's January. If you're declaring his throwing arm officially dead at 29 years old that's your choice.

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A 2019 3rd round pick is a 2020 2nd round pick, which is an enormously valuable commodity when moving up to take the best QB in the draft and provides much more value than a 1 year rental.

the panthers have to be smarter than what you're suggesting they do. This is nothing more than try to check a needs box.

 

This is the QB position. We can't afford to play the silly Cleveland Browns game.

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Drafting a QB just to say you did regardless of the quality of the draft class is what the Browns did for years.

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6 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Neither of us have a crystal ball. It's January. If you're declaring his throwing arm officially dead at 29 years old that's your choice.

I honestly hope it isn't because when he's healthy Cam is a top 10 QB easily. The evidence over the last two seasons says it is tho. 25 completions over 20 yards in two seasons when Cam was doing that in one season prior to the surgery. 0 for on throws over 30 yards when before the surgery that was his bread and butter so to speak. The scariest part is him admitting the lack of motion and soreness and doctors not knowing why. 

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