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8 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

 

Efe is rushing from his hands in the dirt.. That's not a 3/4 olb dude.. He don't move like one when rushing.. And he probably doesn't have a clue up back peddling and covering RB, and TE.. Which is part of a 34 OLB job.  

3-4OLBs still put their hands in the dirt sometimes when lined up outside on the edge like that.  Look at Demarcus Ware.

That clip showed him lined up wide coming off the edge on the 2 sacks.  Which is generally the role of the OLB in the 3-4

Vs a lot further inside than what he was in that video.  2 gaping.  Lining up inside the OT.  He was lined a few feet outwide of the OT which is where your OLB comes from.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, ncfan said:

3-4OLBs still put their hands in the dirt when lined up outside on the edge like that.  Look at Demarcus Ware.

That clip showed him lined up wide coming off the edge.  Which is generally the role of the OLB in the 3-4

Vs a lot further inside than what he was in that video.  2 gaping.  Lining up inside the OT.  He was lined a few feet outwide of the OT which is where your OLB comes from.

 

 

It also show him being high with no bend... He is a DE dude.. He isn't bending the corner.. He is either unblocked and running in or he is using traditional DE hand fighting and getting around the Tackle.. And then again there is still the question of back peddling and playing coverage.. 

You are setting him up to fail.. It's a easier transition to 34 DE with his size strength and physical ability right now...

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10 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

It also show him being high with no bend... He is a DE dude.. He isn't bending the corner.. He is either unblocked and running in or he is using traditional DE hand fighting and getting around the Tackle.. And then again there is still the question of back peddling and playing coverage.. 

You are setting him up to fail.. It's a easier transition to 34 DE with his size strength and physical ability right now...

I wouldn't say that.

Reall it didnt show any less bend than Bradley Chubb's rookie film the 6'4 270 DE playing OLB in Denver 

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7 minutes ago, ncfan said:

I wouldn't say that.

Reall it didnt show any less bend than Bradley Chubb's rookie film the 6'4 270 DE playing OLB in Denver 

You dont see a differences here ? Cubb is dam near diagonal around the cornor on 4 of these sacks..

 

Alright agree to disagree..smh

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Sorry we need a veteran fs. Member drafting a safety in third last year? Why make the same mistake.

Frankly i think we end up with greedy

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15 hours ago, ncfan said:

We have 2 solid starters this year

Can't say the same on D even before us trying to transition to a new scheme.

If Moton is the guy we start to groom as the LT, we can easily draft a round 1-2 guy next years draft to replace Williams 

Do we?   You are putting a lot of hope on a RT coming off substantial knee surgery

if J Williams or any other top OT is there at 16, the Panthers should take him. If the top D prospects are gone, it comes down to BPA at the position and that may be a OT or a LB. our LBs aren’t exactly overwhelming either past Luke. One injury at that position, bad news

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1 hour ago, raleigh-panther said:

Do we?   You are putting a lot of hope on a RT coming off substantial knee surgery

if J Williams or any other top OT is there at 16, the Panthers should take him. If the top D prospects are gone, it comes down to BPA at the position and that may be a OT or a LB. our LBs aren’t exactly overwhelming either past Luke. One injury at that position, bad news

Don't think we can afford to make an insurance pick at 16. That reeks of the Vernon Butler situation and we all know how that turned out. If Williams knee holds up and he has a quality year, we'll likely try to extend him and then we have our first round pick just sitting on the bench. Maybe it's worth taking that chance in the third round, but not in the first when you're expecting a major piece to build your future around. 

With this loaded draft, defensive end at 16 needs to be the pick except in the crazy scenario where every top option has been drafted already, which seems highly unlikely. And if so, we will probably have our pick of the top free safety or cornerback that we can plug in as a day 1 starter (with shifting Jackson to nickel for the latter scenario). 

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Really good work OP.  Thanks.

now...

Just keep in mind what happens when Hurney drafts small-ish “fast” edge rushers.

The history is not kind.

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I would really like to get a true nose guard in here either through the draft.  Got to have someone who commands a double team. 

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10 hours ago, RumHam said:

Sorry we need a veteran fs. Member drafting a safety in third last year? Why make the same mistake.

Frankly i think we end up with greedy

We drafted a project in the third last year. That is completely different than drafting someone that can start the position day 1.

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15 hours ago, ncfan said:

QB: Cam

RB: CMC, Harris

TE: Olsen, Thomas

WR1: Moore, Wright

WR2: Samuel, Smith 

LT: Moton

LG: Nate Davis

C: Paradis

RG: Turner

RT: Williams

 

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DT: KK, Butler

NT: Poe

DE: Omenihu, Cox

OLB: Addison, Obada

MLB: Luke

ILB: Shaq

OLB: Burns, Haynes 

SS: Reid

FS: Thornhill

CB1: Bradberry

CB2: Jackson

NB: Fields, Elder

 

Butler at DT??...no way we have got to do better

Nickel is awful...need better

DE needs better, as does FS

lots of work to be done on def...this group will not stop anybody

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4 hours ago, Peon Awesome said:

Don't think we can afford to make an insurance pick at 16. That reeks of the Vernon Butler situation and we all know how that turned out. If Williams knee holds up and he has a quality year, we'll likely try to extend him and then we have our first round pick just sitting on the bench. Maybe it's worth taking that chance in the third round, but not in the first when you're expecting a major piece to build your future around. 

With this loaded draft, defensive end at 16 needs to be the pick except in the crazy scenario where every top option has been drafted already, which seems highly unlikely. And if so, we will probably have our pick of the top free safety or cornerback that we can plug in as a day 1 starter (with shifting Jackson to nickel for the latter scenario). 

1. If a top ot is available at 16,it is a10 year pick, not a reserve pick

2. The owner clearly stated, the guy who owns the team, what he expects and that is protecting  the franchise.   The franchise is Newton

3 the odds of a top level DL Being there at 16, are not great 

I don’t care how great the DL is, if the QB has two seconds to throw,it is 7and 9 or worse

what does Brady have a lot of in the pocket.  The answer is time 

how many more rings does Brady have the Newton again?

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We should have a sticky mock draft thread here...

Since we don't yet, I'll post this here. Just ran one on Fanspeak and this is what I came away with.

16: R1P16
LB DEVIN WHITE
LSU
47: R2P15
C DALTON RISNER
KANSAS STATE
77: R3P13
S DARNELL SAVAGE
MARYLAND
100: R3P36
EDGE JOE JACKSON
MIAMI
115: R4P13
EDGE JALEN JELKS
OREGON
154: R5P16
RB DARRELL HENDERSON
MEMPHIS
187: R6P14
G DRU SAMIA
OKLAHOMA


I was never in a position to grab one of the top DEs, really, although Ferrell was there at 16. I opted for White because I think he's a stud and would fit nicely here.

Risner I saw as a value pick, as he could probably go in the first round. I know none of these sites are perfect, and Bradbury was still on the board, but I think Risner fit what we need more right now, a RT prospect with experience at C and the likely ability to play guard also. Bradbury, I feel like, is more of a true Center, and I think Paradis has us covered now.

Savage was kind of a reach imho. I wasn't happy with what was available, and it was likely a little early for him. However, he perfectly fits our nickel need and/or could play FS well as a cover safety, even though he is a little smallish. In a perfect world, I would have traded down (not a function on their site) and got him a little later plus another pick.

This left me really needing to get some EDGE/DL guys, so I doubled up on the next two picks. In the spirit of doubling up, I got two JJ's. These are guys who I think are projects, but have all the physical tools of solid contributor-starter status players written all over them.

I rounded out the draft with getting one of the more underrated backs IMHO, and an inside mauler for the OL.

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Great job OP...love that mock.

 

just did this one...

16: R1P16
 
EDGE BRIAN BURNS
FLORIDA STATE
47: R2P15
 
NASIR ADDERLEY
DELAWARE
77: R3P13
 
RB DAMIEN HARRIS
ALABAMA
100: R3P36
 
ROSS PIERSCHBACHER
ALABAMA
115: R4P13
 
QB RYAN FINLEY
NC STATE
154: R5P16
 
WR JAKOBI MEYERS
NC STATE
187: R6P14
 
BEN POWERS
OKLAHOMA
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