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Forget Who The Panthers Want. Who Do YOU Want at 16

Forget Who The Panthers Want. Who Do YOU Want at 16 ? Explain Your Pick  

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  1. 1. Who Do You Want to Draft The Most? Limit to One Player. Don't pick people like Kyler Murray and Nick Bosa..

    • Jonah Williams
    • Andre Dillard
    • Cody Ford
    • Jawaan Taylor
    • Brian Burns
    • Clelin Ferrell
    • Montez Sweat
    • Rashaan Gary
    • Cristian Wilkins
    • Dexter Lawrence
    • D.K. Metcalf
    • Greedy Williams
    • Devin White
    • Devin Bush
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    • Johnathan Abram
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    • Chris Lindstrom
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    • OTHER PLAYER (Please Specify)


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11 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

Personally the player I want the most is Jonah Williams. Even though we've made offseason moves to solidify the O line with signing Paradis and resigning D.Williams, that may not be enough considering the injuries and inconsistent oline play weve had since 2015 ended. Our new owner has made it clear its a priority to protect Cam at all costs and I agree. So why not pick the best Oline in the country? 

Realistically he probably goes to the Jaguars or Lions but who knows, Jags could take a TE and Lions could pick an edge rusher easily. Never really know until draft night. 

Plug him in immediately at Left Guard, have Moton at LT, Paradis at C, Trai at RG, and D.Williams at RT and suddenly we have one of the most dominant looking young olines on paper. Key is I think Jonah and Taylor Moton have really good position flexibility to so we could try a variety of arrangements until the best fit at LT is found (who really knows if its Moton or J.Williams?). 

Drafting a pass rusher would be nice, I dont think one dude this year is going to solve our dline problem. It notoriously takes most pass rushers multiple seasons to catch on anyway. Feel like its more of a developmental pick instead of getting a plug and play oline to help us immediately. 

Totally agree with what you said about Jonah Williams I would be totally excited to draft him. But, if he is gone we need to draft a pass rusher as you said it can take years for one to catch on.  We can’t wait on our line, we can’t delay the fact we need to get younger and waiting yet another year to draft a D-lineman; that most likely needs to develop is just creating an even bigger problem. Luckily, I think drafting a stud edge in the first is likely, Burns and Gary have a real chance to be at 16. Taking a safety in the second should definitely happen, the crop of second round safety’s that fit our FS hole is amazing. I think a developmental O-lineman in the third like Tytus Howard would be a great choice. Also, I would love a speedy hard ass hitting nickle corner. Or potentially sliding Donte to nickle and drafting an outside corner to potentially be cb 2 or maybe replace bradberry. Lastly, a wr in the fourth like a miles boykin or Emanuel Hall would be perfect. Both could likely fall due and each have insane athleticism and could both compete for wr-3 year one. 

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14 minutes ago, Toomers said:

So did all the other Bama OL who have been drafted in the last 20 years. All with disappointing results. 

Which ones?  Enlighten me.

And BTW...it is amazingly short sighted to compare players from  “a school” regardless of talent,  current coaches...

Isn’t that the same as  Tennessee QBs bust all the time...until Peyton Manning comes along.  Makes you look unintelligent.

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My order would be Burns, Jonah, Sweat, Gary, Ford, Ferrell in that order. I would prefer an EDGE rusher in the first because I still feel like there will be some good offensive tackles in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. If we had to get an EDGE in the 2nd I feel like we would have to go with Christian Miller, Polite or Ferguson in the 2nd and I feel like that would be reaching and I am not too interested in Ferguson. Most likely BPA in the second will be one of the safeties so we will probably miss out on an impactful Edge player if we don't pick one in the first. Just a thought. 

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My first choice would be that LB from LSU

since he will be gone, I want the best rated DE or OL available

in the second round and possibly our first pick in the 3rd as well 

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11 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Which ones?  Enlighten me.

And BTW...it is amazingly short sighted to compare players from  “a school” regardless of talent,  current coaches...

 

Over 20 years? That’s short-sighted? And I’ve seen every bit of it up close. And it’s all of them! Not which ones. 

Let’s go from Chris Samuels in 1999. Last good one. 

Justin Smiley-2(46)

Evan Mathis-3-(79)

Antione Caldwell-3(77)

Andre Smith-1(6)

Mike Johnson-3(98)

James Carpenter-1(25)

Chance Warmack-1(10)

DJ Fluker- 1(11)

Cyrus Kuandjo-2(44)

Cam Robinson 2(34)

That’s all the top 100 OL from the last 20 years. Except for Ryan Kelly. Who has a chance to break it. But going into his 4th year, he needs to be around a top 5 C to justify that high of a pick. Which is possible with the way he played last year.. 

    How “short-sighted” is it to want a player just because he played at a particular school. Goes both ways. And I’ll play the odds like these every time. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Over 20 years? That’s short-sighted? And I’ve seen every bit of it up close. And it’s all of them! Not which ones. 

Let’s go from Chris Samuels in 1999. Last good one. 

Justin Smiley-2(46)

Evan Mathis-3-(79)

Antione Caldwell-3(77)

Andre Smith-1(6)

Mike Johnson-3(98)

James Carpenter-1(25)

Chance Warmack-1(10)

DJ Fluker- 1(11)

Cyrus Kuandjo-2(44)

Cam Robinson 2(34)

That’s all the top 100 OL from the last 20 years. Except for Ryan Kelly. Who has a chance to break it. But going into his 4th year, he needs to be around a top 5 C to justify that high of a pick. Which is possible with the way he played last year.. 

    How “short-sighted” is it to want a player just because he played at a particular school. Goes both ways. And I’ll play the odds like these every time. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

20 years?  Jesus, and lots of those guys played pretty well.  WTF?

Oh,  wait they weren’t HOFers.  Got ya.

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19 minutes ago, Shocker said:

20 years?  Jesus, and lots of those guys played pretty well.  WTF?

Oh,  wait they weren’t HOFers.  Got ya.

Which team was glad they drafted them? Simple question. Who are the “lots” that played pretty well? Make some sort of case.  Not a ridiculous exaggeration. Sorry if you didn’t know when you were propping players up because they played there. 

  

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6 hours ago, shaqattaq said:

OK, I have a question about Ford. We currently have 2 Right Tackles on the roster, and pretty much no back ups. Ford spent his college career at LG and RT.  If he is such a fit for LT, why did OK move Bobby Evans (a 4th rd prospect) to LT last year instead of Ford? Hell, why not just draft Evans in the 3rd? I am legitimately asking, they look about the same on film. If we spend pick 16, shouldn't we try for someone with LT experience, like Williams or Dillard?

I don’t think most see Ford as an LT.  I see him has a LG this year and a possible replacement for Williams at RT.  He provides a lot flexibility on the line moving forward.

i think 16 is too high for a G but if you’re able to trade back he’d be a solid value.

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Team needs to move up in the second to get Grier, if he's not taken in the first, because between money and shoulder it's time to move on from Cam. 

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I really like the idea of Sweat or Burns. I've been watching some film on how the Panthers used that hybrid scheme and I think those guys can add a lot of value to the rotation. Ron has used combinations like:

- Peppers and Mario at DE, KK at nose, TD at stand up edge

- KK and Horton at DE, Poe at NT, Mario and Cox at edge

- Butler and Horton at DE, Love at NT, Haynes and Mario at edge

- Peppers at NT, Haynes and Mario at DE, Shaq at edge

 

The list goes on. Think of how many more ways he can use the hybrid defense with a chess piece like Burns or Sweat? Here's the video. 

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, Toomers said:

Which team was glad they drafted them? Simple question. Who are the “lots” that played pretty well? Make some sort of case.  Not a ridiculous exaggeration. Sorry if you didn’t know when you were propping players up because they played there. 

  

Shoo fly

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2 hours ago, Shocker said:

Shoo fly

Having to deal with reality sux don’t it? Great job of backing up your ridiculous thoughts? 

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