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22 minutes ago, Fryfan said:

Why is this special of the democratic party?  The republican party operates in the same way and both are completely bullheaded to change it.

Unfortunately, due to South Carolina's early primary date, it has an oversized/critical influence on who becomes the democratic nominee. 

Relying on a deeply red state (that hasn't voted democratic in a general election during the lifetimes of most voters alive today) so early in the selection process undermines the chances of dems selecting a viable candidate who accurately reflects the values of the party/nation as a whole. 

South Carolina's influence/number of delegates to the Democratic National Convention should be reduced by the party until the state moves their primary to a date later in the selection process.  In a republican controlled state that isn't likely to happen anytime soon.  However, the dems can no longer afford a red state like SC to have so much influence over the party's presidential nomination process.

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11 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Unfortunately, due to South Carolina's early primary date, it has an oversized/critical influence on who becomes the democratic nominee. 

Relying on a deeply red state (that hasn't voted democratic in a general election during the lifetimes of most voters alive today) so early in the selection process undermines the chances of dems selecting a viable candidate who accurately reflects the values of the party/nation as a whole. 

South Carolina's influence/number of delegates to the Democratic National Convention should be reduced by the party until the state moves their primary to a date later in the selection process.  In a republican controlled state that isn't likely to happen anytime soon.  However, the dems can no longer afford a red state like SC to have so much influence over the party's presidential nomination process.

The states host both.  This is tradition and noone will break it.  a routating schedule has been proposed and it gets shot down.  Nothing to do with red v. blue its about how they flow money early into campaigns and how this advantages both parties.  Imagine if the big push was in NY or Cali or texas for early primaries - candidates would be pissed as hell for how much they would need to spend and how many stops would be needed. 

 

NC has double the population over SC, Iowa, NH, Nevada and SC are very deliberate for both sides - they would hate to have to work a state that has over 5million people.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Fryfan said:

This is tradition and no one will break it.

The process of nominating a democrat for POTUS has been changing since its inception and continues to do so.

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The impetus for national adoption of the binding primary election was the chaotic 1968 Democratic National Convention. Vice President Hubert Humphrey secured the Presidential nomination despite not winning a single primary under his own name. After this, a Democratic National Committee-commissioned panel led by Senator George McGovern – the McGovern–Fraser Commission – recommended that states adopt new rules to assure wider participation. A large number of states, faced with the need to conform to more detailed rules for the selection of national delegates, chose a presidential primary as an easier way to come into compliance with the new national Democratic Party rules. The result was that many more future delegates would be selected by a state presidential primary. The Republicans also adopted many more state presidential primaries. By 1992, Democrats had primaries in 40 states and Republicans in 39.

With the broadened use of the primary system, states have tried to increase their influence in the nomination process. One tactic has been to create geographic blocs to encourage candidates to spend time in a region. Vermont and Massachusetts attempted to stage a joint New England primary on the first Tuesday of March, but New Hampshire refused to participate so it could retain its traditional place as the first primary. The first regional primary was the Southern Super Tuesday of March 8, 1988, in which nine states united in the idea that a candidate would reflect regional interests.[7] It failed as all but two of the eight major candidates won at least one primary on that day.

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Another trend is to stage earlier and earlier primaries, given impetus by Super Tuesday and the mid-1990s move (since repealed) of the California primary and its bloc of votes—the largest in the nation—from June to March. To retain its tradition as the first primary in the country (and adhere to a state law which requires it to be), New Hampshire moved their primary forward, from early March to early January.

A major reason states try to increase their influence, and vie for earlier primaries, is that in recent years the races have usually been decided before the primary season has ended in June. For example, John McCain officially clinched the 2008 Republican presidential nomination in March,[8] while during that same month Barack Obama held a substantial lead in pledged delegates in the Democratic Party primaries.[9] In 2012, Obama faced no major challenger in the Democratic Party primaries since he had the advantage of incumbency (see below), while Mitt Romney gained enough delegates to be declared the presumptive Republican nominee by late April.[10]

In 2012, both the Republicans and the Democrats moved their Florida primary to January 31, which was an earlier date than past election cycles. In response, other states also changed their primary election dates for 2012, in order to claim a greater influence, creating a cascade of changes in other states. This followed what happened in 2008 when Nevada moved its caucuses to January, causing other states to also move their primaries to earlier dates. Senate Majority Leader and Nevada Senator Harry Reid was a major proponent of moving that state's caucuses to January, arguing that Nevada would be the perfect American microcosm: its western location, significant minority population, and strong labor population would be more representative of the country as a whole than Iowa and New Hampshire.[11]

Both parties then enacted stricter timing rules for 2016: primaries and caucuses cannot start until February 1; and only Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada are entitled to February contests.

 

 

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2 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Why does the Democratic Party allow a state like SC to play such a critical role (as one of the first 4 primary states) in selecting the party's presidential nominee?  SC hasn't voted for a democratic candidate for POTUS since 1976 (almost 44 years and counting). 

A swing state like North Carolina would be a much better indicator of a presidential candidates viability/electability than one which has reliably voted Republican since the passage of the civil rights act (1960's).

Answer:  Because SC democratic voters can be counted on to vote for the party's establishment candidate, helping to ensure those who are in power, remain in power, with their political corruption going unchecked.  

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So what your saying is we should silence the DEMOCRAT voters from SC who obviously won’t vote for Bernie to begin with.

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Thanks to corporate media's continued backing of Senile Joe Biden, his numbers in the pols haven't tanked, at least not yet.

However, it appears that Biden's corporate/wealthy backers are cooling toward Joe as his foot-in-mouth disease takes hold and voters become better informed about his horrible political record.

Can't imagine a scenario where Joe Biden wins the democratic nomination short of even more DNC shenanigans a la 2016.

If the democratic establishment has their way and Joe is the party's presidential nominee, prepare for things to go badly, not only for dems chances of winning the White House, but also for all the down tickets. 

Joe generates about as much excitement in the democratic base and independents as watching paint dry on a cloudy day.

I'd vote for Hillary before I'd vote for this dud.

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Just now, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Thanks to corporate media's continued backing of Senile Joe Biden, his numbers in the pols haven't tanked, at least not yet.

However, it appears that Biden's corporate/wealthy backers are cooling toward Joe as his foot-in-mouth disease takes hold and voters become better informed about his horrible political record.

Can't imagine a scenario where Joe Biden wins the democratic nomination short of even more DNC shenanigans a la 2016.

If the democratic establishment has their way and Joe is the party's presidential nominee, prepare for things to go badly, not only for dems chances of winning the White House, but also for all the down tickets. 

Joe generates about as much excitement in the democratic base and independents as watching paint dry on a cloudy day.

I'd vote for Hillary before I'd vote for this dud.

Oh right ignore those calling you out and just post more crap. Classic trumper. 

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1 hour ago, Harbingers said:

So what your saying is we should silence the DEMOCRAT voters from SC who obviously won’t vote for Bernie to begin with.

As it stands South Carolina disproportionately impacts the politics of our nation.

That is not a good thing when South Carolina reliably votes against the interests of the democratic party in every general election.

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12 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Oh right ignore those calling you out and just post more crap. Classic trumper. 

How ironic:  Among all the posters in the TB that don't identify as Trump supporters, your political views are the ones that most closely align with Trumps.

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20 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

How ironic:  Among all the posters in the TB that don't identify as Trump supporters, your political views are the ones that most closely align with Trumps.

That’s the best you can do? 

I am rubber you are glue. 

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1 hour ago, Harbingers said:

That’s the best you can do? 

I am rubber you are glue. 

Yeah, facts are the best I can do.

Just like every other right winger, you are impervious to facts/reality.

Go suck on your tailpipe you carbon industry shill.

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44 minutes ago, bull123 said:

Confirmed that Bernie had a heart attack 

What a super sleuth you are. 
 

now deduce what it means to have a stent and not a bypass. 

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18 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

It’s over.

Agreed. Bernie just needs to bow out gracefully. Hope he gets better.

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