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Are you feeling the Hurn yet?

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Hurney is different this time around and he said he learned from his mistakes. Hurney says he is operating differently and said he learned things watching for five years including from Gettleman. I am sure Tepper is leading the charge and has laid out the results he wants but Hurney is doing the bulk of the work to make it happen. 

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I had absolutely zero desire to see him back, but I gotta admit that so far he seems to be doing a damn good job on paper. But ultimately, it's about wins and losses. We'll see if the paper wins turn into wins on the field. I sure hope so. I always liked Hurney, but I thought he was a terrible GM. Hurney 2.0 being legit would be one helluva comeback story.

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1 hour ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Or maybe, like most humans..he has just learned from his mistakes.

I don't think we need to necessarily look for a non-Hurn reason as to why he was bad before, and good now.  Wouldn't be the first time someone sucked at a job, but then got better.

Hate to bring him up, but Belichick is a perfect example of this. He was terrible in Cleveland, but now that he has perfected his cheating, he’s had a lot more success. 

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Once we win a championship. There will be no doubt.

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It is hard to find much fault with what Hurney 2.0 has done.  People forget, but Hurney also made some tremendous moves from 2002-2005.  

The offseason before 2003 (adding Delhomme, Stephen Davis, and Proehl) along with drafting Jordan Gross and Ricky Manning, Jr. was exemplary work.

And while he deserves to be criticized for some of his decisions, especially trading away future draft picks, he was also hamstrung with a coach in John Fox who didn't want to develop QB's and an owner who after the Rae Carruth tragedy swung the pendulum way too far concerning anyone with any potential character concerns (which honestly did hurt us some).

And while Hurney IMO deserved to be let go in 2012, some of his best decisions came near the end of his first tenure (hiring Ron Rivera, drafting Cam Newton & Luke Kuechly)

The fact that someone as competent a businessman as David Tepper thinks he is the right man for the job (at least at this point) is good enough for me.

Hurney and Rivera have pressure to perform, and inevitably they will be fired at some point.  That being said, I hope it is a few years from now and we can win a Super Bowl while we still have Cam & Luke

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On 6/4/2019 at 3:41 PM, Cracka McNasty said:

If Tepper is meddling, he's more competent at meddling. 

Laughed. Best comment of the day. 

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On 6/4/2019 at 4:04 PM, Raskle said:

I'm also hoping these are unfounded fears, and he's not going to do that whole song and dance again down the road. Guess we'll see eventually

Understand your concerns, but surely letting TD walk has to have shown that something really HAS changed. No way Hurney 1.0 would have let a beloved player like that walk.

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Yeah, he learned the art of the one year prove it deal sitting and watching Gettleman.

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8-8

2-14

6-10

7-9

7-9

these are the last 5 regular season records the panthers have put together with marty hurney setting the roster

feeling the hurn yet? not even close.

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In all seriousness what Hurney has done this offseason with the cap space we had was amazing. I would honestly challenge any other GM to do what he did and I admittedly wanted him fired after last year

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On 6/4/2019 at 11:37 AM, KillerKat said:

So JR was pulling the strings with Hurney at the helm, but Tep isn't? I just think Hurney does what the owner wants. Tepper is guiding this ship. 

And that is exactly what his job is. Hurney works directly for Tepper. Tepper tells Hurney his vision and Hurney makes it happen. I would figure it works that way for every team 

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23 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

8-8

2-14

6-10

7-9

7-9

these are the last 5 regular season records the panthers have put together with marty hurney setting the roster

feeling the hurn yet? not even close.

Injuries factor in big-time. You've got to judge him during the off-season for what he makes available to coaches so they can do their best job.

Injuries totally scew proper measuring a GM's success. Records are a measuring the team in total well after a GM has done most of his work.

Last year was a great example, healthy Cam could have taken that 6-2 and made it 12-4.

QB and the drop off from 1st to second string is so huge in the NFL for every team that I can't really ding him on backup QB either. OC's usually have the most say on that anyways.

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36 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

8-8

2-14

6-10

7-9

7-9

these are the last 5 regular season records the panthers have put together with marty hurney setting the roster

feeling the hurn yet? not even close.

I feel like you are so invested in your avatar and narrative you refuse to acknowledge good work.

There is no objective reality where Hurney has not done a good job this offseason.

 

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39 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

I feel like you are so invested in your avatar and narrative you refuse to acknowledge good work.

There is no objective reality where Hurney has not done a good job this offseason.

 

my reality is results based... that’s more real than any of your seemingly infinite examples of “objective reality”

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45 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Injuries factor in big-time. You've got to judge him during the off-season for what he makes available to coaches so they can do their best job.

Injuries totally scew proper measuring a GM's success. Records are a measuring the team in total well after a GM has done most of his work.

Last year was a great example, healthy Cam could have taken that 6-2 and made it 12-4.

QB and the drop off from 1st to second string is so huge in the NFL for every team that I can't really ding him on backup QB either. OC's usually have the most say on that anyways.

the steelers game basically proved that they weren’t nearly as good as the 6-2 record indicated.

and the steelers themselves didn’t even make it to the playoffs

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