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NC Senate passes bill (42-3) to require finance class as condition of HS graduation

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https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article231478103.html

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North Carolina lawmakers say they want to teach students about being financially responsible. But critics say the change will disrupt the social studies curriculum and shifts the blame away from financial institutions.

The state Senate voted 42-3 Monday to pass a bill that would require high school students to complete a personal finance class to graduate. The new course would cover paying for college, home mortgages, credit scores, car loans, managing credit cards and “the true cost of credit,” the News & Observer previously reported.

 

Excellent idea.  

https://www.ncleg.gov/Sessions/2019/Bills/House/PDF/H924v5.pdf

 

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2 minutes ago, g5jamz said:

As usual, there's a slime trail following anything the NC republicans support: 

"Scioli and other social studies teachers are also worried about the major changes it will have on the social studies curriculum, including potentially squeezing out a U.S. history class to fit in the new personal finance course.

Currently, North Carolina high school students must complete four social studies courses to graduate: Civics and Economics, World History, American History 1 and American History 2.

The legislation would make the new finance course and the civics course two of the required classes. It also would prevent the State Board of Education from requiring more than four social studies courses to graduate."

I wonder which parts of American History will get watered down/eliminated from required curriculum for this class...

 

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except when republicans put too much emphasis on bootstraps and do not allow schools to set curriculum as needed:

 

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Backers rejected an amendment Monday from Sen. Jay Chaudhuri, a Raleigh Democrat, that would not have required that personal finance be taught as a standalone class.

The bill was passed over the objections of some social studies teachers who argue that personal finance is already part of a required civics class. They also say the bill paints a one-sided view of why people have financial issues.

 

“It scapegoats teachers as if they’re the major problem with people’s personal finance when in fact there are systemic problems including lack of living wages and lack of appropriate benefits,” Angie Scioli, a social studies teacher at Leesville Road High School in Raleigh, said in an interview.

 

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4 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

As usual, there's a slime trail following anything the NC republicans support: 

"Scioli and other social studies teachers are also worried about the major changes it will have on the social studies curriculum, including potentially squeezing out a U.S. history class to fit in the new personal finance course.

Currently, North Carolina high school students must complete four social studies courses to graduate: Civics and Economics, World History, American History 1 and American History 2.

The legislation would make the new finance course and the civics course two of the required classes. It also would prevent the State Board of Education from requiring more than four social studies courses to graduate."

I wonder which parts of American History will get watered down/eliminated from required curriculum for this class...

 

Ah now I see why G5 had to post this should have known. Shame on me.

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8 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

As usual, there's a slime trail following anything the NC republicans support: 

"Scioli and other social studies teachers are also worried about the major changes it will have on the social studies curriculum, including potentially squeezing out a U.S. history class to fit in the new personal finance course.

Currently, North Carolina high school students must complete four social studies courses to graduate: Civics and Economics, World History, American History 1 and American History 2.

The legislation would make the new finance course and the civics course two of the required classes. It also would prevent the State Board of Education from requiring more than four social studies courses to graduate."

I wonder which parts of American History will get watered down/eliminated from required curriculum for this class...

 

I think they'll figure out a compromise.  19 other states do this with no issue.  

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10 minutes ago, g5jamz said:

I think they'll figure out a compromise.  19 other states do this with no issue.  

But the bill rejected a compromise. 

 

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The teachers floated a compromise to Lt. Gov. Dan Forest, a major backer of the new course. Instead of a standalone finance class, they proposed increasing the focus on personal finance in the civics class and moving some of the history instruction in civics to U.S. history 1.

Chaudhuri cited conversations he had with 20 social studies teachers for his amendment not requiring personal finance to be a separate class. He said the state board and the state Department of Public Instruction should decide how and when it’s taught.

 

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I think it's a great idea in principle. But I want to know who's coming up with the curriculum.

At best this will teach people financial responsibility, how to budget, make good investments, plan for their future, set goals, and help them grasp what they truly can and can't afford.

At worst it can be used to normalize predatory and unfair financial practices while passing the blame for financial woes onto disadvantaged individuals.

 

In other words, will kids be getting a real financial education, or a glorified "Avocado Toast" speech?

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4 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

Care to list those states?

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Personally I think this is a totally fine requirement but shouldn’t be loopholed and abused by the legislature. It should also worked into the curriculum by the schools as they please, not dictated how to.

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it is wrong to have less classes by leftist teachers on their view of history, than to have a required class on personal finance

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1 minute ago, bull123 said:

it is wrong to have less classes by leftist teachers on their view of history, than to have a required class on personal finance

Did you even finish high school? Do you know actually know any current NC history teachers personally? Or do you think they're all 'leftists' because you're a gullible nitwit who simply believes what you're told. 

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5 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

Did you even finish high school? Do you know actually know any current NC history teachers personally? Or do you think they're all 'leftists' because you're a gullible nitwit who simply believes what you're told. 

Read the suggestions Scioli (teacher and Red4EdNC founder) and others want added to any finance course and that pretty much states where the "united voice" stands.  Wealth gap, systemic problems of living wages and lack of benefits.  That's pretty clear.  

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4 minutes ago, g5jamz said:

Read the suggestions Scioli (teacher and Red4EdNC founder) and others want added to any finance course and that pretty much states where the "united voice" stands.  Wealth gap, systemic problems of living wages and lack of benefits.  That's pretty clear.  

RIght, things that actually exist, affect most Americans, and should be discussed in a class about finance. 

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