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(Warning: not what the tank crowd wants to hear)Kupchak on Rozier and upcoming season

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On 7/6/2019 at 11:11 PM, ncfan said:

 

You can't admit to tanking.

But all one has to do is go look at Rozier's numbers and W-L win starting. The Celtics were arguably a better team with Rozier starting in place of Kyrie over the past two seasons. Who's to know if it could be sustained but he seems more likable to his teammates and has a work ethic that Jordan likes. People down on the Rozier signing fail to understand the business aspect of not resigning Kemba. You can't push your team into the luxury tax when that team isn't going to be competing for the Conference Finals. You sign Kemba to a max-ish deal and you are paying luxury tax for two seasons, have no cap flexibility, and have no ability to actually make the team better to make a run until 2021. 

Jordan would still be middling around while picking in the 9 to 15 range of the draft which would be more detrimental unless you strike proverbial gold in the draft. If Rozier pans out you have a guy who likely won't be commanding max money when Batum comes off the books. The Hornets would them be in a position with a young guard, hopefully a decent core that includes Bridges, Monk, and Bacon, and picks stockpiled. It's a recipe for making a Championship run should the Front Office draft well and get some good recruiting from players. Jordan may also want to step up on that front if it isn't against league rules. 

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the rozier contract doesn't hamstring us in that it will expire just after marvin, mkg, bimbo, cody, and then finally batum

if he is any good we keep him...if not we dump him with the others

mitch never gonna say tank...but with this team, those can can all play way over their potential and we still dont win 20 games

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23 hours ago, Stoney said:

Interesting take.

What constitutes a legit "tank" effort in your opinion?

What's the over/under win total on a real "tank" effort?

15?  Something else?

76'ers who executed legit long-term "tank" effort went 19, 18, 10, 28....

....we looking for something like that?

Now, let me preface this by saying I didn't even want Terry. I wanted to be absolutely terrible and have a top 4 or 5 pick being the worst team in the league. 

With Terry we still be one of the top 6 worst teams in the league unless Monk, Miles and Bacon explode. I still think one bottom 3 but who knows. 

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1 hour ago, yasuhara2241 said:

Now, let me preface this by saying I didn't even want Terry. I wanted to be absolutely terrible and have a top 4 or 5 pick being the worst team in the league. 

With Terry we still be one of the top 6 worst teams in the league unless Monk, Miles and Bacon explode. I still think one bottom 3 but who knows. 

We’ll win close to 30 games with Rozier

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Rozier might end up being decent, but are people serious about him as anything other than average at best? Average is even pushing it so far.  As a 3rd to 4th option at best he was...

  • A 38% shooter. 35% from 3. He gets to the line a whopping ONCE per game. 12.9 PER, 3.2 Win Shares. 19 mil.  

Compare that to a perfectly average guys from last year...

Darren Collison (10 million per year)

  • 47% FG, 40% from 3. 2.5 FT attempts per game. 16.7 PER, 6.8 Win Shares. 

D.J. Augustin (7.25 million)

  • 47% FG, 42% from 3. 2.6 FTA/Game. 15.7 PER, 6.9 WS. 

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Hornet for 5 minutes, our PG if Kemba were trade, Rookie Deal)

  • 47% FG, 36.7% from 3. 2.4 FTA/Game. 13.4 PER, 3.3 WS. 

Dennis Schroder (15.5 million - - a bad contract)

  • 41% FG, 34% from 3. 2.9 FTA/Game. 12.7 PER, 2.9 WS. 

 

Rozier was worse (and twice as expensive) as career average player Darren Collison.  Three times the cost, for maybe half the production of DJ freaking Augustin. Outplayed by rookie SGA. And a somewhat decent comp in Dennis Schroder, yeah he's giving you about the same production, at a higher cost, than a guy already on a bad contract. 

Rozier's signing may work out, sure.  But for the same money you could've had Danny Green AND Rodney Hood.  Or grab Seth Curry and Kevon Looney. Or hell, Tyus Jones, Seth Curry, and Rodney Hood for the Duke trifecta. This contract has been the butt of jokes since it was offered, and just another means of the Hornets blowing money on average at best guys. 

 

 

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15 hours ago, CarolinaNCSU said:

Rozier might end up being decent, but are people serious about him as anything other than average at best? Average is even pushing it so far.  As a 3rd to 4th option at best he was...

  • A 38% shooter. 35% from 3. He gets to the line a whopping ONCE per game. 12.9 PER, 3.2 Win Shares. 19 mil.  

Compare that to a perfectly average guys from last year...

Darren Collison (10 million per year)

  • 47% FG, 40% from 3. 2.5 FT attempts per game. 16.7 PER, 6.8 Win Shares. 

D.J. Augustin (7.25 million)

  • 47% FG, 42% from 3. 2.6 FTA/Game. 15.7 PER, 6.9 WS. 

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Hornet for 5 minutes, our PG if Kemba were trade, Rookie Deal)

  • 47% FG, 36.7% from 3. 2.4 FTA/Game. 13.4 PER, 3.3 WS. 

Dennis Schroder (15.5 million - - a bad contract)

  • 41% FG, 34% from 3. 2.9 FTA/Game. 12.7 PER, 2.9 WS. 

 

Rozier was worse (and twice as expensive) as career average player Darren Collison.  Three times the cost, for maybe half the production of DJ freaking Augustin. Outplayed by rookie SGA. And a somewhat decent comp in Dennis Schroder, yeah he's giving you about the same production, at a higher cost, than a guy already on a bad contract. 

Rozier's signing may work out, sure.  But for the same money you could've had Danny Green AND Rodney Hood.  Or grab Seth Curry and Kevon Looney. Or hell, Tyus Jones, Seth Curry, and Rodney Hood for the Duke trifecta. This contract has been the butt of jokes since it was offered, and just another means of the Hornets blowing money on average at best guys. 

 

 

Just another bad Bobnets contract. Nothing to see here.

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The numbers are mind boggling...Rozier goes from a backup making 2.2 mill to almost 20 mill per year for 3 years.  I can't really understand why.  He hasn't been good.  Really, really stupid IMO. 

Anyway...complaining about the management of this team now is beating a dead horse.  We are the worst team in the NBA in that regard and that isn't changing for at least 3 years.  Even then, doubt these clowns can turn it around.

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