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G5 showing us the outrage over a lottery but fails to mention the fact the state GOP just killed Medicaid expansion again, thereby taking healthcare from tens of thousands of people. Fug you. 

This state has the 3rd highest death rate in the nation to those without healthcare.

https://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2019/08/20/nc-has-nations-third-highest-total-of-excessive-deaths-from-failure-to-expand-medicaid/

http://www.peacemakeronline.com/national-report-350-died-in-n-c-due-to-no-medicaid-expansion/

A new report may or may not capture state Republican legislative leaders’ attention in their almost two-month budget standoff with Gov. Roy Cooper, but it definitely strengthens Cooper’s argument for the expansion of Medicaid in North Carolina.

According to the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), 350 people in North Carolina died “…because of the lack of affordable health care coverage,” and had Medicaid – government sponsored health care for low-income residents – been expanded, they may not have.

The NBER report adds that North Carolina is third in the nation per the number of deaths associated with the lack of Medicaid Expansion. Florida is second with 700, and Texas is first with just over 700.

“[T]his data provides new and compelling evidence that the decision to expand Medicaid has a profound affect on the life expectancy of adults living in the coverage gap,” writes Alexandra Sirota, director of the nonprofit N.C. Budget and Tax Center. By expanding Medicaid for the needy, states are able to improve health outcomes, provide better management of health conditions, and improve the quality of life for those who otherwise would lack coverage.

“By linking death records and data on program participation and health outcomes across all states, the authors of this new report estimate the impact of Medicaid expansion on the mortality rate of near-elderly adults,” Sirota maintains. “Their findings point to a 9.3 percent decline in annual mortality for this age group in those states with Medicaid expansion. The primary reason for the improvement in life expectancy is disease management while under the care of Medicaid.”

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gonna go ahead and tell you gk5 response:

well maybe that poor person should have bought health insurance instead of all those scratch offs, then maybe she wouldn't have died because she couldn't afford blood pressure medication

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Any one of you so called conservatives here willing to defend this obvious goal vy NCGop to stop the state from accepting federal money in order to provide health insurance to poor people?

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

gonna go ahead and tell you gk5 response:

well maybe that poor person should have bought health insurance instead of all those scratch offs, then maybe she wouldn't have died because she couldn't afford blood pressure medication

I vaguely recall a regular on these forums who would get downright giddy every time a poor person would lose free health care then proceeded to beg for money in the main forum when he couldn’t pay his own hospital  bills. 

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7 minutes ago, GWBNostrils said:

Any one of you so called conservatives here willing to defend this obvious goal vy NCGop to stop the state from accepting federal money in order to provide health insurance to poor people?

 

 

Yes.  It's called an unfunded mandate.  Plus, thinking it's free money without consequence is naive and frankly stupid.

https://www.carolinajournal.com/opinion-article/how-to-expand-insurance-coverage-without-expanding-medicaid/

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Here’s what we know about Medicaid expansion’s failed promise: Expansion states are seeing enrollment numbers way over what was predicted, cost overruns that threaten the stability of state budgets, and less access to care.

Have you checked to see if your family provider accepts new medicaid patients?  Guess what happens to that fixed number of providers that DO, have to accommodate the new influx of people.  

https://www.carolinajournal.com/opinion-article/human-costs-of-medicaid-expansion/

I know liberals and people that are used to generational handouts cannot comprehend the negative impact of "free money", but there is a price to pay.  

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13 minutes ago, g5jamz said:

Yes.  It's called an unfunded mandate.  Plus, thinking it's free money without consequence is naive and frankly stupid.

https://www.carolinajournal.com/opinion-article/how-to-expand-insurance-coverage-without-expanding-medicaid/

Have you checked to see if your family provider accepts new medicaid patients?  Guess what happens to that fixed number of providers that DO, have to accommodate the new influx of people.  

https://www.carolinajournal.com/opinion-article/human-costs-of-medicaid-expansion/

I know liberals and people that are used to generational handouts cannot comprehend the negative impact of "free money", but there is a price to pay.  

Handouts? Forgive if I’m wrong but how are you okay with $15B of “free money” going to subsidize farmers, mostly wealthy farmers like Senator Grassley and Senator Ernst who applied for it (amongst others), but not your neighbor’s child?

 

 

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How do you justify voting for someone who has built his entire empire on $885B worth of tax breaks? When does a handout stop being a handout in your book?

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1 minute ago, GWBNostrils said:

How do you justify voting for someone who has built his entire empire on $885B worth of tax breaks? When does a handout stop being a handout in your book?

He'd vote for Hitler if he promised to nominate conservative judges

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4 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

He'd vote for Hitler if he promised to nominate conservative judges

Funny man. 

You'd vote for Che Guevara if he promised to nominate socialist judges.  

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19 minutes ago, g5jamz said:

Funny man. 

You'd vote for Che Guevara if he promised to nominate socialist judges.  

You’re avoiding my questions for some reason. 

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33 minutes ago, GWBNostrils said:

Handouts? Forgive if I’m wrong but how are you okay with $15B of “free money” going to subsidize farmers, mostly wealthy farmers like Senator Grassley and Senator Ernst who applied for it (amongst others), but not your neighbor’s child?

 

 

Tariffs and subsidies are all good, but that health insurance thing?

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1 hour ago, GWBNostrils said:

Handouts? Forgive if I’m wrong but how are you okay with $15B of “free money” going to subsidize farmers, mostly wealthy farmers like Senator Grassley and Senator Ernst who applied for it (amongst others), but not your neighbor’s child?

 

 

When did I say it was ok to subsidize farmers?  Government interfering with free market ends up causing more problems than it prevents sometimes.  See government subsidizing colleges.  Colleges ramp up tuition to account for the new money in the system.  I'm not even talking about loans persay.  And then the government even takes over the student loan program.  What could ever go wrong.  Liberals, aka big government, love creating issues so they can ride in with the socialist agenda to solve all life's ills.  

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