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20 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Doctors are rarely as all knowing as people portray them to be (something good doctors freely admit). And to be fair, it sounds like the criticism being directed at Omalu is coming from numerous people within his own field.

 

well some of these dr's may be wanting to profit from that sweet sweet nfl money that they'll only spend on reports that come out the way they want.  the nfl has done a great job at making people believe concussions are the end all be all of cte, which is a complete fabrication.   i see people ate up with the panthers on this message board parroting the false nfl talking points regarding this quite a bit.   the themostinterestingman has noted, you could have 0 concussions and end up with cte.   its an accumulation of impacts, none of them have to result in a concussion.   there is so much money involved in this and the nfl needs the story to be portrayed a certain way or there will be no more children playing the game.   

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3 minutes ago, raz said:

well some of these dr's may be wanting to profit from that sweet sweet nfl money that they'll only spend on reports that come out the way they want.  the nfl has done a great job at making people believe concussions are the end all be all of cte, which is a complete fabrication.   i see people ate up with the panthers on this message board parroting the false nfl talking points regarding this quite a bit.   the themostinterestingman has noted, you could have 0 concussions and end up with cte.   its an accumulation of impacts, none of them have to result in a concussion.   there is so much money involved in this and the nfl needs the story to be portrayed a certain way or there will be no more children playing the game.   

Any of them making as much as Omalu?

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Any of them making as much as Omalu?

i think it would be fair to guess that (many) of those that aren't would like to be

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9 minutes ago, raz said:

i think it would be fair to guess that (many) of those that aren't would like to be

From the Post article...

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After more than a decade of intensive research by scientists from around the globe, the state of scientific knowledge of CTE remains one of uncertainty. Among CTE experts, many important aspects of the disease — from what symptoms it causes, to how prevalent or rare it is — remain the subject of research and debate.

But across the brain science community, there is wide consensus on one thing: Omalu, the man considered by many the public face of CTE research, routinely exaggerates his accomplishments and dramatically overstates the known risks of CTE and contact sports, fueling misconceptions about the disease, according to interviews with more than 50 experts in neurodegenerative disease and brain injuries, and a review of more than 100 papers from peer-reviewed medical journals.

Are all fifty of them just looking to make money off the NFL?

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Omalu declined several requests for an interview and refused to answer any questions for this story. In an email, he dismissed questions raised by experts as coming from “a minority of doctors who are seeking very cheap and bogus popularity . . . who work directly or indirectly with these sports organizations.”

“Your paper engaging in such bogus controversies will bolster some people’s allegations of ‘Fake News,’ ” Omalu wrote.

This is typically how Omalu responds to criticism: by claiming it comes from scientists corrupted by relationships with sports leagues. But his depiction of the science of CTE and his prominence in the CTE research community have yielded his own financial benefits.

Billing himself as the man who discovered CTE, Omalu has built a lucrative business as an expert witness for hire in lawsuits — including in the growing CTE-related litigation field — charging a minimum of $10,000 per case, according to his testimony. He also maintains a busy schedule of paid speaking engagements, charging $27,500 per appearance, records show, as he delivers his sermon against contact sports.

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Omalu’s definition for CTE, as described in his published papers, is incredibly broad and all-encompassing, describing characteristics that can be found in normal, healthy brains, as well as in other diseases, according to experts including Ann McKee, lead neuropathologist for Boston University’s CTE Center.

“His criteria don’t make sense to me,” McKee said. “I don’t know what he’s doing.”

McKee’s assessment was supported by three neuropathologists who worked with her to develop guidelines for diagnosing CTE used by researchers around the world.

“My God, if people were actually following [Omalu’s] criteria, the prevalence of this disease would be enormous, and there’s absolutely no evidence to support that,” said Dan Perl, one of those experts and professor of pathology at the Uniformed Services University.

McKee and other experts confirmed, in interviews, something that long has been an open secret in the CTE research community: Omalu’s paper on Mike Webster — the former Pittsburgh Steelers great who was the first NFL player discovered to have CTE — does not depict or describe the disease as the medical science community defines it.

McKee and other experts believe Webster had CTE, based on his history of head trauma and his mental disorders. But the paper Omalu published shows images that are not CTE and could have come from the brain of a healthy 50-year-old man, they said.

“This is the problem,” McKee said. “People lump me with him, and they lump my work with him, and my work is nothing like this.”

Omalu no longer actually does any scientific research. He's strictly a public speaker / expert witness / celebrity. The people refuting his claims, on the other hand, are still engaged in active research programs.

Who should we believe?

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

From the Post article...

 

Are all fifty of them just looking to make money off the NFL?

Further...

And this...

 

Omalu no longer actually does any scientific research. He's strictly a public speaker / expert witness / celebrity. The people refuting his claims, on the other hand, are still engaged in active research programs.

Who should we believe?

doesn't sound like we should believe omalu.  side point: 10k isn't a lot for an expert witness though if its a dr.   my dad would have to fly expert physicians in from the other side of the country because they have a 'thin blue line' like cops.  

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So...what exactly did he think they were going to say? :thinking:

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Regarding Eli...

Oddly enough, he did not thank or mention Ben McAdoo in his retirement speech :Eyes_Emoji_42x42:

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51 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Regarding Eli...

Oddly enough, he did not thank or mention Ben McAdoo in his retirement speech :Eyes_Emoji_42x42:

  
   Mara is the ONLY reason Eli has even been on the team for the past two years. I expect his separation anxiety will be severe. 

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10 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 Mara is the ONLY reason Eli has even been on the team for the past two years. I expect his separation anxiety will be severe. 

They told kind of a cool story about dad Wellington Mara.

Back in 2005, he was seriously ailing and for the most part not coherent at all. But just a few days before his death, his family was gathered around him watching the Giants play (the Broncos I think, not certain). They said Mara regained consciousness just long enough to see Eli throw a game winning pass, and he put his arms up to make a "touchdown" signal.

This was apparently his last moment of consciousness and the last thing he saw. He died just a short time later.

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

They told kind of a cool story about dad Wellington Mara.

Back in 2005, he was seriously ailing and for the most part not coherent at all. But just a few days before his death, his family was gathered around him watching the Giants play (the Broncos I think, not certain). They said Mara regained consciousness just long enough to see Eli throw a game winning pass, and he put his arms up to make a "touchdown" signal.

This was apparently his last moment of consciousness and the last thing he saw. He died just a short time later.

  Reminds me of Dan Rooney saying that his Dad, Art Rooney Sr, told him one more time on his deathbed that “you should have taken Marino”. Said his Dad never forgave him for passing on him. I know I never have. 

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1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  Reminds me of Dan Rooney saying that his Dad, Art Rooney Sr, told him one more time on his deathbed that “you should have taken Marino”. Said his Dad never forgave him for passing on him. I know I never have. 

Peyton was quoted as saying that Eli was his third favorite quarterback after their dad...and Dan Marino :)

(big brothers are a--holes)

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Browns fans were a little upset when the team didn't hire Josh McDaniels, but they're going positively apesh-t on Twitter right now over the possibility of Ben McAdoo getting their OC job :)

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18 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Peyton was quoted as saying that Eli was his third favorite quarterback after their dad...and Dan Marino :)

(big brothers are a--holes)

I remember when people would ask hypothetical questions about which quarterback you would take for blah, blah, blah...my answer was always Dan Marino.  Now its Aaron Rodgers.

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Regarding Mike McCarthy...

I've heard of going from coaching to the front office. Can't say I ever remember seeing the reverse.

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