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REPORT: Cam Newton is believed to be healthier

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14 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

How about 2018 when he was a 68% passer with Norv and CMC as an outlet? 

Running backs take a lot more hits than 10 a game. They're usually making hard contact even when they don't carry the ball. 

He had to throw shorter passes because he lost the long ball.  RBs are in better position to take a hit.  When a QB gets hit, it is often when they are upright with an arm over their heads.  Their feet are preparing to pass, not be hit.  Cam got figured out--when the defenses realized he had no arm left (for whatever reason), they feasted.

and that year was averaged into his career percentage.

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2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

He had to throw shorter passes because he lost the long ball.  RBs are in better position to take a hit.  When a QB gets hit, it is often when they are upright with an arm over their heads.  Their feet are preparing to pass, not be hit.  Cam got figured out--when the defenses realized he had no arm left (for whatever reason), they feasted.

and that year was averaged into his career percentage.

So is it completion percentage or deep ball efficiency? Can't have it both ways. Yes, his arm was shot in 2018. Particularly after that Watts boy almost knocked it off. Agreed when they figured out Cam was actually injured, they changed the way they played him. Not sure why our coaches didn't realize it too. 

RBs take hits and contact on a much different level though. You aren't gonna convince me differently. When you're asked to lower your head and ram into 1000+ pounds of men multiple times a game (and they usually only weigh around 200 pounds), that ish is different from anything Cam does. Cam's entire career hits are probably equivalent to 2-3 seasons of a starting running back. 

 

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56 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

There's no room for their hard ons because all the reminiscing Cam fans take up all the space dabbing. Cam will never return to MVP form or earlier. Ever. He will have to change into an almost entirely pocket passer, which he can do, but will take away from what he once was. The glory days are over, people. Is he better than a rookie? Yes. Better than most FA scrubs? Yes. Good enough to take an elite team to the SB? Yes. Good enough to take THIS team to a SB? No. We need the 9ers D and an elite Oline to win it all with a "B+ Cam".

Cam will never be an effective pocket passer because he's always had shotty throwing mechanics. No one can deny that. He got away with it because of arm strength and running. Now that both of those skills have diminished he wont be able to hide his average passing skills. Thank you for your service but its time to move on.

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34 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Facts are.  59%  71-59.   Those are facts.   Twist and make excuses all you want those are the facts

Stating one statistic while leaving out every other variable is just cherry picking. CMC has a losing record as a starter so he needs to be replaced too, right?

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2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Sweet Christ you are dense.  They are not going to build a franchise from the ground up on a perpetually injured qb no matter what he costs.  They are not going to play him this year and then turn around and give him a mega deal.  If they let him walk then thats one year wasted of the process.  Right or wrong they (Rhule and tepper) are starting completely over.  Why the hell you cannot see this when literally everyone is saying he is gone is beyond me.  You are either mildly retarded or a troll.

 

Cam is a 59% completion thrower and is 71-59 career.  He is good but he aint what you are making him out to be.

You had me until you had to throw those last couple sentences in. If only the team surrounded Cam with talent to succeed like every other franchise does with their Qbs. I honestly dont know a franchise that was worse than Carolina at doing that. I do believe Cam is gone but not for the reasons you listed at the end of your statement.

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36 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Cam will never be an effective pocket passer because he's always had shotty throwing mechanics. No one can deny that. He got away with it because of arm strength and running. Now that both of those skills have diminished he wont be able to hide his average passing skills. Thank you for your service but its time to move on.

Spot on 

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19 minutes ago, TheRed said:

The man has 252 total career touchdowns in 132 games played.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NewtCa00.htm

The man has 182 PASSING TDs and 108 INTs. The days of Cam getting 10 rushing TDs a game  a season are gone. Thats not hating on Cam those statements are fact and his rushing forecast is based on injury history, age and historical projections. 

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14 minutes ago, Bytes said:

The man has 182 PASSING TDs and 108 INTs. The days of Cam getting 10 rushing TDs a game  a season are gone. Thats not hating on Cam those statements are fact and his rushing forecast is based on injury history, age and historical projections. 

Think you need to read the definitions of fact and opinion.

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1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

So is it completion percentage or deep ball efficiency? Can't have it both ways. Yes, his arm was shot in 2018. Particularly after that Watts boy almost knocked it off. Agreed when they figured out Cam was actually injured, they changed the way they played him. Not sure why our coaches didn't realize it too. 

RBs take hits and contact on a much different level though. You aren't gonna convince me differently. When you're asked to lower your head and ram into 1000+ pounds of men multiple times a game (and they usually only weigh around 200 pounds), that ish is different from anything Cam does. Cam's entire career hits are probably equivalent to 2-3 seasons of a starting running back. 

 

The completion percentage of an NFL QB should feature both long ball and short passes---when Cam lost the long ball, he only threw short passes--of course his percentage went up.  To the real point:

Yes, RBs do--and that is why they hit the wall at age 27-8. ("According to this data, the word "old" means 28 for a running back, 30 for a receiver, and 32 for a quarterback. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/articles/age.htm  This is probably not a surprise, as it squares fairly well with conventional wisdom.")    To assume a QB is not vulnerable to hits like a RB is not a safe assumption.  Most of the QBs that last past 32 are not running QBs.  So if the average "old age" for a QB is 32 and the average "old age" for a RB is 28, would you be willing to agree that RUNNING QB--the one who has absorbed more hits than anyone else in the NFL---would fall somewhere between?  I do not know how you could argue otherwise.

"The NFL is a deeply unfair league. One hit can end a career, and if you take 1,235 of them, it gets hard to avoid the type of hit that could change your career. "  Cam has been hit far more often and more viciously than other NFL QBs.  See article:  https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/11/6/20951102/cam-newton-panthers-legacy-nfl-injured-reserve

So comparing Cam to a RB is more fair than it is not fair. This article in ESPN in 2016 is prophetic:  "Newton runs the ball much more than any other quarterback and gets hit much more than any other quarterback, and we'd all be fools if we failed to make a connection there. This is who Newton is, and it's who the Carolina Panthers ask him to be. But maybe it's time to think about changing things up a little bit. "  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17747117/superman-simply-takes-too-many-hits-cam-newton-panthers-think-nfl-2016

Here is 1 game--tell me which of these hits features Cam in a position to absorb a hit as well or better than a RB.  If you think 10 hits on a QB is equal to half of 20 hits to a RB--you are not seeing the same contact I am:

 

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19 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Think you need to read the definitions of fact and opinion.

OK...

Facts

Cam has 182 Career PASSING TDs and 108 INTs

 

 

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2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Facts are.  59%  71-59.   Those are facts.   Twist and make excuses all you want those are the facts

Stats that don't mean anything and don't matter. Got it.

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26 minutes ago, Bytes said:

OK...

Facts

Cam has 182 Career PASSING TDs and 108 INTs

 

 

Matt Ryan, if you take the total number of passes that were TDs or INTs, has a TD percentage of 69%.  Matt Ryan is an average to above average QB. Tom Brady, using the same measure, is at 75%.  Joe Flacco, an average QB at best, is at 61%

Cam Newton is under 63%

So if you are throwing his TD to INT ratio, not the best measure for Cam.  It suggests that Cam has been average.

 

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35 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Matt Ryan, if you take the total number of passes that were TDs or INTs, has a TD percentage of 69%.  Matt Ryan is an average to above average QB. Tom Brady, using the same measure, is at 75%.  Joe Flacco, an average QB at best, is at 61%

Cam Newton is under 63%

So if you are throwing his TD to INT ratio, not the best measure for Cam.  It suggests that Cam has been average.

 

And that he has.....great athlete, average QB. Take the run threat away and he is below average.  

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