Joe Bear

Yikes.

Nah, I'm not claiming you're in any group. You seem pretty level-headed to me and most of your opinions are similar to mine.

https://www.espn.com/espn/betting/story/_/id/43390276/eagles-rb-saquon-barkley-late-slide-playoff-win-stymies-bettors That stuff amuses the hell out of me. I'll bet ML or for/against the spread here and there, but props are just too unpredictable for my taste. Bad beat.

I think there are about five posters on here who want Young to not play well because it means they're wrong, and their posts reflect that mindset on a consistent basis. Personally, I'd rather the Panthers win and Young play well, whether I predicted it (I didn't) or not. There's definitely a possibility some people on here are spouting opinions they don't even believe, just for engagement and to see if others will agree with them. It's very common in the political sphere. I want to say I wish I joined this sinking ship before it was feet from the ocean floor, but with some of the discourse, or lack thereof, I'm not certain about that.

Your family's from Gastonia?

To hell with the Bills. I hate their fans and I know too many of them. They were insufferable and acted like they were the 1990s Cowboys even when they went 4-12 every year. Now they're beyond insufferable.

I mean, the inverse is also true. Many can imagine this place if Young's Week 18 was like Herbert's Week 19. I know you'd have been on here 10x as much as you were. No one's saying it's not OK to like Stroud too. He was No. 1 on my board, after all. But he doesn't play here, so some should maybe consider a move to the Texans board, where like-minded people reside.

I think he said Stroud was having a pedestrian game. One TD is pedestrian, considering five Young TDs in one game was described on this board as "efficient" and "not bad". If five's efficient, that standard implies that one would probably be trash. Stroud also has one of the best defenses in the NFL to lean on when he's having a pedestrian game, while Young has one of, I'll be kind and say, one of the three worst defenses of all time -- a defense that allowed 653 more rushing yards than the 31st-ranked defense. A lot of that falls on injury luck, which has not hurt Houston but destroyed the Panthers in the sense that two of the top three defensive players on the roster were lost for the season in Weeks 1 and 3 respectively. But it's impossible to blow out a team when you put up points but the defense is swiss cheese. Stroud knows he can score 20 and win. Hell, Young's had to be pushing or above 40 the last three weeks just to have a chance. It's OK to be cautiously optimistic about Young. Excited, even. Convinced he's a star? Some are. I'm not. But hey, he could be. This is the first year in a long time that you're entering it with hope of genuine good QB play.

Stroud's gotta be the NFL's most popular player. He's a hit in Houston, but he's No. 1 among Panthers fans.

I don’t count that one because it wasn’t because of that game so much as it was the whole season. Can’t say Penix got 3 Panther defensive assistants fired, because it was their 17-game body of work that did.

4-13 for 41 yards and an INT when not throwing to him. Stroud’s also made a lot of poor throws. Lucky to avoid a second INT.

Herbert has been dogshit.

Legendary Panthers LB Denzel Perryman.

Probably not a ton of value. The Falcons shelved their message board completely. I wanted to go see them complain, but it went to a user-created forum where I had to join to even see anything.

This was Carolina Growl? I vaguely remember that.

Really? A lot of people I know thought he was a disappointment until 2023.

Good first year. Five wins beat my expectations for sure (as well as the bookies’). I’m hopeful for the first time in years.

72 for Zavala is probably more than he’s ever gotten in a two-game stretch, let alone one.

It’s a lazy one. See UDFA WR, see another UDFA WR, they’re obviously the same.

That regime is so recent but it seems like it was years ago now. Hope McCown gets a better job than Jets HC.

What were your thoughts on Derrick Brown after 2022?

Imagine being this deep in emotional investment to hating a player on a team you like. It’s pretty damn funny. I’m far from Young’s biggest fan and I’m not convinced yet he’s a long-term answer, but at least he’s done enough to show he could be. And if GWD success rate makes you feel better as you cuddle up in your Texans shirt, hey, far be it from me to try and stop you.

Love how we track GWD success rate but not GWD by themselves. Wonder why.

Whenever the Panthers start a practice squad player at WR it’s always “HOW MUCH HELP DOES HE NEED”

Touchdowns in 2024: Young: 21 in 12 games Stroud: 20 in 16.25 games Looks like Stroud had some catching up to do when it comes to scoring points. #learntonotice