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your entire line of thinking centers around making a low effort committment to the QB position so that you’re “free” to “build the roster” elsewhere. What do you think is the inevitable byproduct of getting 21 great players together on a team without a QB?

Top 10? That’s not exactly an impressive bar out of 22. LTs are not “just” a step down from QB. They are not in the same universe of significance, and the opportunity to take one vastly outweighs the potential benefits of a “top 10” position elsewhere. Jordan Love is just the desperate whimper of a team in QB purgatory cycling through all the low effort options they rationalize themselves into taking under the exact thought process you’re using, setting season after season on fire until they come to a hard truth: you almost certainly aren’t going to find an actual Dude at the position until you’re willing to swallow it and make a big commitment. You have to pay to play. getting cute at the QB position virtually never works.

there should be nothing scarier for an nfl fan than your team locking itself in QB purgatory, too good to draft a QB, too bad to make the playoffs. conversely there’s precious little downside to drafting a rookie QB. what’s the worst that can happen? Youre bad? You’re going to be bad without a franchise guy anyways. In this case you’re grateful that he’s bad enough to give you another chance. Far better to be bad than to be average. on the other hand, if he’s good, you’re competing for Super Bowls. If your drafted OT is good, but your QB is bad, you’re just a bad team.

hey hubby really glad you’re here why don’t you tell us how that Once In A Generation LT did for your Lions

it’s hilarious to cry strawman when your argument, the new one I mean, not the any of the original four, is unquantifiable in any way. You’re right though, I am ignoring your attempt to try and change the subject from the previous arguments you made which you couldn’t defend. tell me more about how LT is as valuable as a QB.

if you don’t have to do it, why is the only constant in your argument? you’ve come a long way from calling trey Lance a sure fire prospect, and even farther from trying to argue that LTs are nearly as valuable as QBs. you have no idea how teams rank individual prospects in comparison to another, you only have media hearsay which looks less and less likely to reflect how the draft plays out each day, and revisionist takes on past QBs who you’re free to speak glowingly about because they’re no threat to go 6 overall and take one of your precious hog mollies from you

you’re just moving the goalposts around now but what does that have to do with anything? Trey Lance went 2. The panthers are not picking 2. If a team is willing to give up a lot to take a QB, the panthers would be smart to simply take that QB. edit: also trey Lance was nothing close to a sure thing, at this point in the process last year nobody thought he was safe enough to take 2 overall and he was considered the riskiest proposition yet San Fran moved massive capital to do so you have no idea where these guys are going to go on draft night

that’s great, I’m sure it’s out there, I sure would like to see it also nothing you wrote on the internet made or makes trey Lance a “sure thing” prospect

Why don’t you do an in depth breakdown of trey Lance the prospect for me then?

underrated Christmas classic (but not as good as It Happened On 5th Avenue) stupid point tho

Lol trey Lance was a sure thing? Trey Lance was an FCS QB who didn’t even play his final season. that’s about as opposite a sure thing as you can possibly be. they traded three 1’s to get him.

“this team lost but they maybe could’ve won” like lol what kind of argument is that glad you mentioned the niners, the niners just traded away years worth of plug and play 1st round hog mollies because they knew they didn’t have an elite QB the QB they did have cost them a super bowl now they’re getting rid of him

you wanna know how I know you just looked this up? because according to the metric they used here, a QB is nearly twice as valuable as a left tackle lol-the two aren’t comparable. furthermore, you clearly didn’t even read your own article, as it states later on down: “ What if we limit the numbers to the top 10 players at each position? This is a bit more indicative of what the NFL does and does not view as “most valuable” as it takes out a bit more of the impact of volume on the each position’s players. “ in this chart, which the author terms as being more in line with what teams value, left tackle comes in even below WR. I wasn’t going to say that, but hey, it’s your argument, and given that we just watched a QB and jamarr chase lead their team to a SB while All World Tackle Penei Sewell’s team got even worse, I guess I see their point.

A meaningful swing at QB is immensely more valuable than any “sure” thing you can add to your roster elsewhere if you told me I had to spend my next three 1st round picks on QBs, and that one one would be a great player (and the other two would not), that approach would be infinitely preferable to simply hoping to get the best guy with one swing based on grade and “getting” to add great tackles or whatever, at any other position, in the other two years the impact of that position dwarfs any benefit brought to me by any other spot on the field

it isn’t. Edge rushers and even press-man corners are more valuable than left tackles in the current NFL where the ball is coming out faster than ever before and QBs are asked to contribute with their mobility, not as a last resort, but as a necessary and ideal trait. Competent tackles are far easier to find than the players who check all those boxes. Sign a decent veteran OT, every single season, a rotating door of decent players, and your ceiling is the same. There’s no such thing as a “franchise” left tackle, no impetus to get “our guy” at that spot, no additional value to doing so. It’s an illusion driven by a dated approach to football from back when building a super bowl team meant lining up your top 5 running back behind an elite LT and dArInG ThEM tO StOp It. but that isn’t the way things are now.

you can’t “make smart moves” if you’re trying to equate the value of a quarterback to a ancillary position like tackle there will be another half dozen “all world tackles” in the next draft, and the one after that, and the one after that. opportunities to take the 1st QB off the board are rare

kinda had the same thought one way or another this makes it seem like they have their mind made up on Ridder I don’t believe they hate him, and if they did why let everyone know? move down, make sure nobody knows about your interest in him, and take him there. Sell the interest in the top 3 QBs to attract a buyer. of course that’s stupid, you never settle for a lesser QB prospect in the name of picking up some draft picks, especially just to recoup ones you’ve lost. You’re chasing your own tail.

the only kind of QB that some posters here would want is the kind of QB who goes number 1 overall, not 6 and not wherever the panthers will be picking next season that guy goes 1 and you aren’t going to trade up for him. As recently as yesterday somebody said “wait until next year and then put a package together to move up.” people here may undervalue the position but nfl teams don’t. You arent “putting a package together” to get the kind of player that people here are so irrationally obsessed with waiting for. either this guy elevates his game and is locked in out of the panthers reach or he regresses to the mean and these people won’t want him anyways (I.e. Willis, Howell, Ridder)

Wow sounds like you’ve really put the research into understanding this issue

you never settle for a lesser graded talent at that position you do it for OT because a “good” OT is winning you just as many games as a “great” and the extra 1st or 2nd is worth it you never settle for a lesser QB

A “franchise” left tackle lol

He can challenge every area of the field with his arm and stretch a defense horizontally with his legs. Guys like that are going to make plays. wouldn’t be surprised if he went to a better organization like Pittsburgh and the posters here fondled themselves while the panthers are dominating TOP on their way to the 12th pick in the draft next season

lol they better not get jumped for another QB

the panthers massive and transparent representation at these pro days almost seems smokescreeny, unless they’re just absolutely convinced they have the de facto #1 pick for a QB

lol I do this