WTH. This is what I said. You completely lose yourself in your typhoon of an argument.
The only exception are coaches who lost in the 60s before modern day free agency and with a 33 round draft like Landry and Ewbank. The handful of coaches are Walsh, Vermeil, Carroll, Belichick, and Johnson. McCarthy, Payton, and Ditka were all 1st time HCs who had their team on contender level by year 2 and eventually won the SB. They were at contender level with winning seasons and then won the SB.
You just supported my argument. You need to go back and reread my post. I've already quoted it for you once before.
Ditka was a first time HC. Had 1 losing season. Was in contention for the SB by year 3.
McCarthy won out of the gate as a first time HC, and had his team in contention by year 2. He had 1 losing season in his first 11 seasons and that was year 3 after going 13-3 in year 2.
Payton was winning in his first season and in contention year 1. He had 1 losing season out of his first 7 seasons in year 2.
An 8-8 season is not a losing season, especially when they turn their team into a contender in the first 3 years. You using that to support your point is ridiculous. At most, you can call that a mulligan season for a coach, and as long as they don't fall down to Rhule level losing seasons or never produce a playoff appearance, then they don't get fired. This never goes down as a losing season in the history books and you counting it as a losing season because it is not a winning season goes to show how desperate you are to prove a non-existent point to cya.
The fact you are holding on to the thinnest straw and a few SB coaches to try to support having a losing coach with little to no hope of every turning it around with the Panthers is desperation. How many SB winning coaches has there been? So, you want to hang your hat on a single coach who started in the 60s like Chuck Noll?
You have proven my point with your flip flop argument.
If Rhule could produce 7 and 8 win seasons in his first 2 years, then he may be worth a 3rd if the season does not result in anything less than 9 wins. You are lucky to get 4 to 5 wins out of Rhule led team, and I'm not going to ever support 6 seasons of that before we hope for a winning season. History does not even support that. The SB winning type coach will always eat Rhule for lunch and his players will have to win in spite of him. Rhule is not even on the same level as Rick Kotite nevermind a Chuck Noll.
I find it amusing that you have to pad and skew your argument to show there are more than a handful of coaches who lose 2 or more seasons to turn their team into a SB team or Dynasty. You pad with 3 coaches who started in the 60s (who I made note of in my original post) and toss in 3 coaches who won out of the gate and had their team as contenders as first time HCs (they did not have 2 losing seasons before they won and were in contention in the NFL). That leaves you with a list of 5 coaches.
Thank you for doing some research and proving my point. Your padding and skewing is obvious.
So, here is your hope. Rhule has put together a SB contender in year 3 and they will dominate the league with 10+ wins. I don't see it on paper and have yet to see it on the field in preseason. Here is to hope!
Those handful of coaches had their HoF QB in year 1 btw. Walsh-Montana, Belichick-Brady, Johnson-Aikman, Vermeil-Warner, and Carroll-Wilson. You seriously think Rhule-Mayfield passes that eye test and will have HoF careers? A miracle Rams season was the Panthers only hope, and the front office screwed that Vermeil formula up in the offseason/draft. These coaches also had a top NFL level defense in place by year 3 that could produce turnovers and stop the run.
