TN05

Wild how people excuse 3 years of bad to terrible play for Ickey and want a big extension but are mad at even the prospect of a fifth-year option for Bryce

The difference between a turnover and not a turnover actually does matter.

Bryce has lost 6 fumbles, not 11, which is only 2 more than CJ Stroud.

I wasn't aware football games were decided by the number of passes that went 10 yards downfield.

Bryce had nearly as many touchdowns (3) as incompletions (5) last week.

They were not happy after a 450 yard passing game, why do you think they'd be happy now? They're not happy when we win 30-0, because Bryce didn't throw for 400 yards. They're not happy when we win on the last drive, because that means we were losing earlier (???). They're not happy when Bryce completes 75% of passes, records 230+ total yards, 3 TDs, 0 turnovers and outduels the MVP favorite because we ran the ball a lot. They will literally never be happy. They would be happier if we were 0-13.

6, actually. 11 total, six lost.

It was basically a one-possession game the entire game, we traded leads a few times; this is because the Rams are a good team. Defense got 3 turnovers but allowed a lot of points. Bryce threw for 3TDs with no turnovers and made two huge plays on 4th downs.

Dan Morgan managed to get two fourth round picks out of Mingo and Thielen, who had maybe a dozen combined catches on their new teams.

That's an 80% completion percentage, 21 yards per completion, and 17 yards per attempt.

No one has ever scrutinized the GWD stat as much as this forum has since Bryce Young started winning games

If a 40 yard downfield TD pass on 4th down down 4 with only a few minutes left doesn't count I don't know what does.

Likely a 4th quarter comeback, as his drive didn't end the game. We were down 28-24 and he led us to a 31-28 win off of a 4th-quarter drive. Defense sealed it but Bryce's throw won it.

I think most of the Bryce haters would prefer we were 0-13 than in the playoff hunt.

what even is this team?

That’s a beautiful throw. What a game!

Bryce is money on 4th down today.

Because he’s finally healthy.

CHUBA

The first Bryce pick was awful. But that other pick was perfect, and only was picked because of a hold.

Give Hubbard the ball

And like I already showed, only two games of of 10 here fall into that. The numbers are likely similar to other QBs.

I'm not discrediting, I'm pointing out it was one really good play from Tremble which was the right read. It would be like dismissing Jake and saying he didn't have anything to do with X-Clown. You give credit to both guys for a great play.

I decided to do a statistical analysis to find out. I used Pro Football Reference's list of his game-winning drives (GWD) for this. tl:dr; Bryce deserves no credit for two games, partial credit for either two or three games, and broadly deserves credit for the rest. Only 2 of the GWD are of no credit to him at all. 2023 Week 7 vs. Houston (15-13) Full-game statline - 22/31 (70.9%), 235 passing yards, 1 touchdown Final drive - Drive began on the Carolina 9 yard line with 6:17 left in the 4th quarter, down 13-12. Bryce accounted for 55 total yards on the drive (50 passing, 5 rushing); Chuba ran for 13, and the Texans gave up 28 yards on penalties. Does Bryce deserve credit? - Yes. Bryce accounted for all offensive yardage before reaching the Texans 30. Week 14 vs. Atlanta (9-7) Full-game statline - 18/24 (75%), 167 passing yards Final drive - Drive began on the Carolina 5 yard line with 7:35 left in the 4th quarter, down 7-6. Bryce threw for 68 yards on the drive and kneeled three times when in field goal range. Does Bryce deserve credit? - Yes. Bryce accounted for all but 20 yards on the drive. 2024 Week 9 vs. New Orleans (23-22) Full-game statline - 16/26 (61.5%), 171 passing yards, 1 touchdown and 1 interception Final drive - Drive began on the Carolina 34 with 3:25 left in the 4th. Bryce threw for 26 yards, and drew a 22-yard pass interference penalty. Chuba Hubbard scored the game-winning 16-yard touchdown. Does Bryce deserve credit? - Yes. Passing and pass interference accounted for all but 16 yards on the drive. Week 10 vs. New York Giants (20-17) Full-game statline - 15/25 (60%), 121 passing yards, 1 touchdown; 30 rushing yards Final drive - Drive began in overtime at the New York 23-yard line immediately after the Giants fumbled the first snap. Chuba ran three times. Bryce did not throw a pass. Does Bryce deserve credit? - No. Bryce literally did nothing on this one due to generous field position in overtime. Week 15 vs. Arizona (36-30) Full-game statline - 17/26 (65.4%), 158 passing yards, 1 touchdown; 68 rushing yards, 1 touchdown Final drive - Drive began on the Arizona 49 with 4:11 left in overtime. Chuba ran twice for 49 yards and a touchdown. Does Bryce deserve credit? - No. Bryce literally did nothing on this one. Week 17 at Atlanta (44-38) Full-game statline - 25/34 (73.5%), 251 passing yards, 3 touchdowns; 24 rushing yards, 2 touchdowns Final drive - Drive began on the Carolina 30 at the start of overtime. Bryce threw for 56 yards; Miles Sanders scored the game-winning one-yard touchdown. Does Bryce deserve credit? - Yes. Bryce accounted for the vast majority of yards on this drive. 2025 Week 5 vs. Miami (27-24) Full-game statline - 19/30 (63.3%), 198 passing yards, 2 touchdowns and 1 interception Final drive - Drive began at the Carolina 17. Bryce completed three passes for 45 yards and a touchdown; there were also three runs for 33 yards by other players Does Bryce deserve credit? - Yes. Bryce accounted for the majority of yards and the game-winning touchdown. Week 6 vs. Dallas (30-27) Full-game statline -17/25 (68%), 199 passing yards, 3 touchdowns and 1 interception Final drive - Final drive began at the Carolina 14 with 6:07 left in the fourth. 37 yards were recorded on the ground, while Bryce threw for 25 yards and drew a 12-yard pass interference penalty. Does Bryce deserve credit? - Partially. No one player stood out on this drive. Week 9 at Green Bay (16-13) Full-game statline - 11/20 (55%), 102 passing yards, 1 interception Final drive - Final drive began at the Carolina 29 with 2:28 left in the fourth. Rico recorded 21 rushing yards while Bryce threw for 19 yards. Does Bryce deserve credit? - Equal credit with Rico. Both recorded nearly identical yardage totals. Week 11 at Atlanta (30-27) Full-game statline - 31/45 (68.9%), 448 passing yards, 3 touchdowns Final drive - Final drive began at the Carolina 31 with 8:45 left in overtime. Bryce threw one pass to Tommy Tremble for 54 yards. Does Bryce deserve credit? - Tommy Tremble deserves the most credit here, but Bryce threw the pass. In conclusion: there's really only two games here he did nothing in. The rest he gets at least some or a majority of the credit.

This forum would not have survived 2003, I can say that. They would have called for Delhomme's benching.