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people fall in love with certain players (neal) and feel like that they are in a league all by themselves and the next guy at the position is nowhere near as safe as a pick so they are afraid to trade back. People said the same thing about Sewell and Slater last year. Last year you probably would have said the same thing picking at 7 with Sewell, but looking at it now would you take Slater and an extra pick?

or you draft the LT and you might end up with a good LT, good LG (BC), and good RT and you find an average center elsewhere.

Neal is pretty much a consensus top 5 or 10 pick by most people whereas Little was considered a round 2 or 3 pick by most people. He might not work out but I wouldn't worry about Little as a comparison.

Jacob Tuioti-Mariner Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com He is 6'2 285lbs, he might not do much worse than what we have

I don't think it is Gantts tweet, the scores above are from a different twitter from what I can tell, I would guess they were probably taken from PFF, but I don't think PFF generated the actual graphic, the logo is to give them credit I think. The article from PFF is probably the preliminary grading, the grade in the graphic is probably the final grade that this PNP panther site pulled from having a subscription, but that is just my guess.

Panthers Pro Football Focus grades: Best and worst from Week 17 (usatoday.com) Nice to see BC at 70.6, considering another post had his pass block at 77 we can surmise his run block was a bit behind, but probably not atrocious. Speaking of atrocious the bottom 5.......

The PFF article you linked is the recap that PFF does right after the game, and often it changes later, they even say it's a preliminary grading. The tweet posted in the original post I don't think was put out by PFF, it seems to me to be created by some other people, some podcast, with scores they most likely get from having a PFF subscription. To get game by game grades you have to have the higher level subscription to PFF so I can't verify either way.

What does that have to do with the question I asked? You said Tepper needed to let football people make decisions then later you said he didn't. I'm confused So Rhule had no part of getting rid of Teddy?

I didn't say anything about impatient. You said Tepper needed to let the football people make the decisions but then you said Tepper didn't need to let them do anythign stupid by mortgaging the future. Which is it?

Once you get past the first round the positional value becomes less important because the salaries are so much close to league minimum. People need to realize that football moves don't happen in a vacuum. You spend $8m to draft an above average center then you have to spend about $15m to get an above average LT (if one even hits the market). or You spend $8m to draft an above average LT then you can spend $15m on a free agent center, which would actually make them the highest paid center in the league (highest is 13.5m). The same thing is true with positions like RB. If you draft one that high he has to be one of the best players in the league or he starts out overpaid. For the most part free agents are paid relative to their production. Think of dollars=production. A $10m player gives you $10m dollars of production. In that regard all teams are equal because of salary cap. The one place teams can really get ahead of another team is through the draft because of the fixed contracts. If you draft a $20m player on a $2m contract you have gained value over another team. Of course there are always exceptions, but the principle is true. It's the reason the Saints stayed competitive during the so called "cap hell" years. They had one of the best drafts of all times and basically had several high production players on cheap rookie deals, that make up for their reduced cap space. If I did decide to draft the center I would feel a lot better about it with a trade down. That extra pick gives you a chance to make up for some of the value lost by drafting a lower value position to start with.

If Tepper is not letting the staff mortgage the future is he really letting football people do their job? We actually need the opposite. If he keeps Rhule, I'm guessing Rhule is going to try and win now, Tepper needs to step in and not let him do something stupid.

We traded for Sam Darnold, is any QB really a crazy idea?

what percentage would you say? and are we talking starters or all-pro level?

People need to consider positional value also, not just how much value they add to winning but their cost relative to replacing them in free agency. Here is why center is riskier than a LT: #6 pick is going to get a 4 year contract worth about $8m a year. The 12th highest center in the league makes less than that. The 5th highest only makes $10.8m. So basically, if you draft a center that high he better turn out to be one of the best centers in the league or you are losing value, and even if is a top-5 center you still aren't gaining as much value as a player at a different position. In comparison: The fifth highest LT in the league makes $18m a year, the 10th makes $14.9m. The 20th highest makes $8m. Now of course salary isn't always equal to production, but you can make the argument that if you draft a LT and if he just turns out to be average it's still a good deal relative to his rookie pay scale. You can actually miss on more high value positions in the draft and still come out ahead of a team that hits on a higher percentage of low value positions.

I would prefer a LT, drafting centers that high can be really risky from a positional value standpoint.

There is no sidestep, he bolts

no, it was Jordans man that caused the initial pressure that started the entire chain of events that caused the sack. Watch the play in slow motion, Sam starts to leave the pocket when Jordan's defender dives at his legs and that is even before Elflein gets pushed to the side of him. Also most centers in that situation are going to get pushed back if they get hit unexpected from the side like he was. Maybe that is poor communication but that is on Miller to communicate that his guy is looping, Elflein isn't even looking that way. Jordan easily got beat the worst on the play.

If we end up picking 5th or 6th don't you think we will still be able to get one of those 3 LTs even with a trade down to around 10?

George Karlaftis DE Purdue | NFL Draft 2022 Scouting Report (nfldraftbuzz.com) I would like to think there is no chance of this happening, but you never know with this staff. Here is the logic: Rhule is trying to win now so he passes on a QB. BC is playing well enough that the team decides they can make do with him at LT and guards can be upgraded easier later in the draft or in free agency. With that thinking what is the one positions that might actually have the biggest impact in year 1? A big edge.

Paradis has been in the league for a while and actually has been a good center for part of his career, I seriously doubt our problems are as simple as protection calls. Our problem is talent.

that still doesn't say who to assign the sack to. Also Sam is starting to leave the pocket when 73's man dives at his legs. Here again I'm not saying the line did great on the play, you are the one caught up who to assign the sack to, which you still haven't answered.

did Elflein guy get the sack? no, so you can't assign it to him Actually Elflein probably got a neutral grade on that play. He blocked his guy ok, Miller's guy's acutally got past Miller and peeled off and basically blindsided Elflein. That would happen to most centers and honestly his guy still got pushed back behind Sam. I'm not saying the line did great but who the sack is attributed to is irrelevant. From a grading perspective, which all teams do after the game, Jordan probably got a negative grade for giving up the early pressure that caused Sam to run into the sack. Miller might have got a negative grade also for letting his man cross his face so easy and getting depth.

yeah that one

they assigned 2 to the O-line, people just inferred the other 5 were on the QB. Here again, look at that second play and tell me who gets assigned the sack?

and I'm sure they got assigned a pressure. Just because the line didn't get assigned the sack doesn't mean Sam got blamed for it. This is grading, not stats. Jordan's man was the main reason the sack happened but he didn't actually get the sack so it won't be assigned to him. Moton's man actually got the sack but he was doing his job so it won't get assigned to him either. You are inferring that since they didn't assign the sack to the line they are automatically blaming Sam and that was never said.