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Lets say Watson isn't traded or ends up elsewhere. Lets imagine that the cost of trading up to 3 or 5 is to high. Maybe all 4 QBs go before 8. Sign Jameis, draft Pitts, and lets score some points. Maybe we score 40 and win, or we score 30 with 3 interceptions and lose. Either way it will be entertaining games. I meant this kind of joking but there is some merit to it. I'm starting to get a little bit of a concern that we might overpay for someone out of desperation. Sometimes the best option is to punt. Signing Jameis and then drafting Pitts or a OT would actually be a low risk option compared to selling the farm to trade up. Jameis might actually surprsise some people, he definitely has arm talent. His reputation for turnovers might have been influenced somewhat by playing in an Arians offense at TB. Jameis with our offensive weapons would probably put up good numbers. Worst case he walks in a year and you flip him for a comp pick. He could be a buy low, sell higher possibility with some upside potential, whereas Teddy is going to end up being a buy high, sell low signing, that based on history didn't really have much upside.

Mac Jones could end up being the next Tom Brady with his accuracy and "winning ways", but he also seems to a bit similar to Teddy, which we seem to be looking for something different.

and this is why his no trade clause has been overstated by this forum. No trade clauses are mostly put there to help players who don't want to be traded. Occasionally they might come into play if a player really hates a particular team or location, but for the most part if a player really wants out, then they aren't going to limit themselves to one particular destination.

For the same reason I said from the start, someone in the organization thought they could win with him. The idea that he was just a bridge QB, which most around thought, was stupid from the start. If that was the case they wouldn't be talking about getting rid of him like they are.

what are the realistic chance we pick 1st though. Look at the Jets this year and Miami the year before. It is actually hard to tank for the 1st pick.

Miami is the team I would think would really like to go all in. There were a good team last year. They don't need the the to rebuild like the Jets. They have, I think, 5 1st over the next 3 years. They could probably trade Tua for another 1st

I totally agree that our lack of QB to offer will be our biggest disadvantage compared to the Jets and/or Miami, but there is a chance it could work in our favor. The Jets and Miami could both decide they are happy not trading for Watson. They might be less willing to go all in so to speak. Maybe the Jets decide to only offer two 1st since one of them is the 2nd pick this year. Wilson + multiple 1st + $30m in cap space each year for the next 4-5 years isn't a bad backup plan. It really could go either way, and that is even if the Texans decide to trade him.

The offer sounds crazy but its probably really not that off. All along I've thought the over/under from us would be something like three 1st and 2 players. His offer is pretty much two 1st and 3 players, with 2 later picks. Of the 3 players none are Burns so that is a plus. People need to realize that if this was to happen its going to hurt. If you are comfortable with what you are giving up for Watson you probably need to add to it.

You can make an argument for the Eagles to take draft a QB. You can make an argument for the Eagles to draft a non-QB. You can make an argument for the Eagles to trade down. All that really matters for the Panthers is that you have to operate on the assumption that a QB could be drafted at 6.

I don't know if we have the patience to wait until next year. I could see us making Miami an offer they can't refuse. At a certain point we might need to hope other teams protect us from ourselves by refusing to do the deal regardless of what we offer.

I had that same question, who knows. Maybe there is a pay cut on the table and giving him time?

Maybe he is just getting released. Is he worth $10m a year? Can you replace his production for less than that? Remember he has the 5th highest salary of LBs this year. 2021 Linebacker Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap

for which team? both? I think Miami has two first this year? I would think 2 current year 1st would be really strong. Also, what do you think the chance is the Jets aren't as aggressive as everyone thinks. If they fall in love with Wilson they might be happy to keep the draft pics, not to mention the $30m in year extra cap. They might not be willing to sell the entire farm like I think we are.

I hope you correct, I just keep thinking they are going to want a really great player on a rookie deal. Shaq and Donte don't really fit that description.

but they were also a 10-6 team last year so I could see where they talk themselves into not valuing their capital as much. You really can make an argument either way, and honestly as an organization they could be back and forth about it also.

What Reportedly Concerns NFL Teams About Justin Fields (msn.com) Interesting article that talks about some concerns that teams have about Fields. Apparently some think he doesn't go through progressions as well as they would like. According to the article one team at the senior bowl claimed they looked at all of his passes in 2020 and only seven times did he look off of his first read. If this is true, how much of that is him not having the ability or could some be the system he plays in? He defiantly has the tools, if you want a QB to drop back and throw to his first target he is as talented as anyone, Trevor included. I want to say his accuracy numbers are the best of the bunch and he has above average velocity also. It would be hard for me to pass on him if he fell to 8, but I can see some of the concerns also.

lol seems like you could put the Dolphins between 2 and 3. They could change their mind about Tua overnight.

I've said all along our biggest disadvantage is not being able to offer the Texans a QB option, unless they like Teddy, like the Jets and Dolphins can. Three way trade that sends Jimmy G would make sense. Maybe their GM thinks highly of him from their time together in NE. I think we would have to add a player or pick to Teddy for 49ers to do that though. I can't see them just trading Jimmy for Teddy straight up. They could just wait for us to cut him if they like him. maybe something like 49ers receive: Teddy B, Donte Texans receive: Jimmy G, 2 first rounders, 2 2nds, Shaq, Burns Panthers receive: DESHAUN YOU fuging KNOW IT WATSON

It’s pretty simple math. Nobody is saying it wouldn't be expensive, I’m just saying it’s feasible. Actually I don't think Voth said it was impossible you are just interpreting it that way.

At some point you need to learn to form your own opinion and just not blindly follow what you read from some reporter. I said we could afford to trade CMC and resign Samuel this year if we wanted. Didn't say we should, or financially long term it would be wise but I said it is feasible. That is a fact and not really debatable. Cap hit if CMC is traded is $17.2m according to Spotrac.com and overthecap.com. Christian McCaffrey Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap Christian McCaffrey Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac I think Voth said around $21m. Some of CMC's guaranteed money is in the form of guaranteed salary which is tradeable so that is probably why the two numbers are different. CMC's cap hit if not traded is about $12.5 million. If he is traded its $17.2m 17.2 - 12.5 = $4.7m If we trade CMC we lose $4.7m in cap space. Lets say Samuel has a first year cap cost of $6m. That would be a total $10.7m in extra cap space this year. We can afford that.

a lot of coach speak, watch the film. tell me schematically what they are actually doing different. We run often on first downs so they put 8 in the box often. If we ran a different RB a lot on early downs they would do the same. Who is covering him on third down if he runs a wheel route? Would it be different person covering him if it was different RB?

Voth is wrong. Most reporters have poor understanding of cap space.

I agree that most franchises don't want an expensive RB but my response was to the idea that we can't afford CMC's cap hit if traded and sign someone else. That is false, we can. Yes they probably would prefer younger players but I was trying to point out to people that a great player on a established deal is usually a better asset in a trade than a player about to get paid. For example if Dak and Watson were equal in ability Watson would be considered the better trade asset because part of his contract has already been paid. If you trade for Dak you have to sign him to the entire big deal. CMC at 8m a year isn't a horrible trade chip, I'm not saying he is Burns, but its not like the team is having to pay him 16m a year with $30m guaranteed. I'm not a huge big money RB guy but there are a few teams who still think that way. Actually for a team like Miami, if we try to trade to 3, I could see them liking CMC. Could make an argument he would be good for Tua. They were good last year and they have a lot of cap space. They might be ok with the contract. CMC seems to make more sense for a good team trying to get a little better than a rebuilding team.

I didn't say anything about Voth or if would happen. I was disagreeing with the statement that it wasn't feasible financially.

That is a bit of a stretch. How exactly are they changing their entire game plan because of McCaffrey? 8 men in the box? that is often a product of down and distance. Third and long and lines up in the slot, they cover him? They aren't going to cover a different back? Its not like teams are putting their #1 CB on him. Are they double teaming him in the passing game? Draft a RB in the third round and run him often on early downs and teams with focus on stopping him. Don't get me wrong, he is a really good player but this idea that he causes a huge fundamental change on how defenses play us is wrong.