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and we won 5 games. I get being a homer, but really, lets try to somewhat realistic. Indy went 11-5. Pittsburg went 12-4. Patriots have won the Super Bowl. I'm not super sold on WFT but they did win the division, and had a better record then us. None of the other teams in that division look stable so he might view that as favorable We aren't nearly the FA destination that a lot of the fans think.

^ This Stafford will want to go somewhere he can win, the Lions will probably prefer not to trade him in the division.

Indy? went 11-5 and QB just retired. Patriots? WFT? Denver? There are plenty of teams you could see Stafford as a good upgrade and from the outside looking in we don't look as appealing as a lot of the fans on this forum think.

Even if they don't, he doesn't have pick 2 or 3 being a QB, which I don't see happening. So either way there is a good chance three QBs will be off the board by pick 8, and all 4 being gone is a very real possibility also.

We don't need to swap contracts at all, Stafford is only about $20m. Cutting Teddy and KK gets there, not to mention multiple other restructures you could easily do to make it work. If Shaq gets moved its because he got cut, nobody wants to trade for his $10m salary next year.

Even if they don't, he doesn't have pick 2 or 3 being a QB, which I don't see happening. So either way there is a good chance three QBs will be off the board by pick 8, and all 4 being gone is a very real possibility.

How many of you have actually watched Devin White all year? Or honestly at all outside of the two playoff games

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It’s not just that those win now teams will value him more but I think he will value them more also. I don’t really see him wanting to come to the Panthers and I do think they will work with him some in location.

QB picks tend to go for a premium over the traditional trade value chart. This year I think even more so. Add about 50% to those amounts.

I don't think Stafford has a no trade clause but I could Detroit working with him to get to somewhere he wants to be. I'm not sure if we fit that profile.

I think the cost for Watson is going to be substantially higher than a lot around here are going to want to pay. I'm of the "have to have a QB camp" but there does come a point you could give up too much. Trading for Watson guarantees we get a good QB. If we trade too much it doesn't guarantee that we will have a good team though. Stafford feels like a better Teddy. Doesn't really feel like we fixed our problem long term. Best guess right now, we end up trading up to make sure we get QB 3 or 4 in the draft. We might end up trading multiple 1st to get to that 3-5 range, let alone to the Jets pick. If that doesn't work we trade back a little bit and take Jones, or go BPA and look at Newman/Trask in the second or punt to next year.

I know he sat out, and I know he has been inconsistent in the past, but if he hadn't sat out and played decently well it isn't crazy to think he couldn't have moved into the first round this year. Everyone is making a big deal about coaching Jones, but I think most teams have a pretty good idea on him, but Newman is the bigger unknown.

lol You seem to follow college a good bit. I'm not a fan of later round QBs, but what about Newman? Isn't he going to be at the senior bowl? If for some reason the first round QBs don't work out for us, any redeeming qualities?

Fans have a bad habit of lumping all 1st round picks together when talking about trades. Our #8 is a different category than Indy's 21 or Patriot's 15. Likewise our #8 is nowhere as valuable as the #2 of the Jets or #3 of the Dolphins when talking about trading for Watson.

Yes. I've said all along if we can get any of the top 4 QBS in the draft without giving up more draft capital I would be happy.

You have to look at what other teams would give when you are trying to figure out what it would take you to trade for him. There are teams later in the 1st round that would happily give up a first. For a good team, just needing a QB such as Indy, what helps you more? using your first on Stafford or Trask or Jones So if Indy or the Pats would trade their 1st what would we have to trade to move ahead of that? Our first? that would probably work but honestly that might be too much, so you offer next years first. Why would they take next years first over a current years first from another team? That is why you have to throw in the second this year. I'm not saying we should give up that much, but it makes sense that it would take that much when you look at it logically.

Ahh, my bad

That was a very smart QB making sure his team gets the FG

I agree. This idea that they are going to look worse if they don't trade him is stupid, they all ready look really bad. Letting Watson and some other team fleece them would only add to that. Watson has enough leverage to force himself out, but he doesn't have enough leverage to force them to only accept an offer from one team. Once you have multiple teams the price goes up.

Normally I take the QB over about anything, but with their cap space so bad and missing draft picks because of bad trades in the past, trading Watson might actually be the best chance to get better. I'm not sure how easy it would be to build a great team around him. If they can get lucky and find a QB in the draft (big if), this might actually work out better for them. Honestly they might be thinking the same, even though they would never admit that. I find it interesting that so many articles are coming out, almost feels like they are trying to drum up business.

Unfortunately I think its going to take a 1st, I just think ours it too high. It makes a lot of sense for a team like Indy or the Patriots or the 49ers. Spend a 1st on Stafford or Trask? Spend a 1st on Stafford or Jones? You can see why that wouldn't be too hard to convince yourself to do. In some ways it is going to be hard for us to make that trade. We might feel like our #8 is to much, but what do we give instead. Next years 1st? Honestly I think Detroit is probably wanting a first this year that they can package with 7 and move up this year for a QB. A 2021 1st probably will be more attractive for that than a future one or multiple lower picks this year. I don't think a player is really that enticing for Detroit unless they can use that player to move up, but then the team you are trading with might not player. Just seems like a 1st this year is the best currency they can want if their goal is to move up in the draft.

If I'm the Texans and I can't fix it, I'm going full reboot. Hire a cheap, young coach that will take a shorter contract. Trade Watt. Try to trade Watson for picks over players. Get a young QB in the draft. Honestly trading for someone like CMC would be stupid. They need to be looking 3-4 years out. Cap space and draft picks are what they need. Use some of your limited cap space and picks on O-line to help rookie QB develop. They actually have some decent receivers. Everything screams they should be trying to convince Watson to take a deal to Dolphins or Jets.

That depends, I don’t have that stat for the rest of his career so we don’t know for sure. Do you have that stat, if not you are just assuming? If we don’t know for sure then it’s a possibility it’s been somewhat the norm.

He is a top 8-15 QB most years. There are a lot of teams who could do a lot worse. He will definitely have a market.