Toomers

Of course they would still be there. It’s who he is and has always been. And could have had for 30-35M less. How many more weapons do the Panthers need to add to get him a career high of TDS again. Or is 16 being too optimistic?

Seems everyone is taking the “head in the sand” approach to that subject. I guess whatever helps convince yourselves that Rhule didn’t make every single decision last offseason? Which moves did Hurney make on his own? Just the bad ones? Did Hurney sign Teddy and tell Rhule about it after it was signed? It’s hilarious the lengths this fan base will go to justify and excuse incompetence.

Why have more faith now? The organization swung and missed, badly, in their QB decision making so far.

One team was extending there “window” with a HOF QB and a very good shot at a SB. The other “pissed” away 80M and comp picks to make a poor roster capable of winning 5 games. Context means everything. Different situations mean different decisions. But make up whatever you want or need to.

And how many contracts does that include? It’s nothing more than “kicking the can down the road” that has put the Panthers(and many teams) in a mess. Acting like they just created the money out of thin air is disingenuous. Especially with the players that were done. CMC is debatable because if healthy he has shown he is a top 3 player at his position. But now they have thrown more money at a poor contract for Shaq. The Panthers could have had 100M in cap space right now if they didn’t try to build a 6 win team last year. And it seems that will be the strategy again for this year.

With money from 2022-23.

And then 10.5M more in 2023 if that’s the option they are taking.

That’s not true at all. His cap hits for those two years would be 14M total. Then there is the 13.75M in dead cap that hits when they cut him. Add in the 1.5M that got tacked onto his 2019 cap hit when he signed in Dec 2019, and that’s 29.25M for two average seasons from an off-ball LB. Where does just under 15M/yr put him on these lists?

That covers it for me as well.

Can’t really disagree. Just bad policy. Teddy was probably past the “leverage” worries already.

Like I said, he was “understandably” pIssed. But announcing your frustrations to the rest of the league just shatters any value he might have had left. Just not something Tepper should be doing. Never tell the league you don’t want a player anymore. Doesn’t matter how right he was.

I don’t get trashing him in the media, like Tepper did, when you know you want, and NEED, to trade him at that point. That essentially ended any shot of some team taking him for any sort of return. Or having to include pick(s) to get a team to take that contract. Tepper was understandably pissed, but you don’t diminish an asset while he’s still on your roster.

Yet, in a article specifically about who wanted and how TBs signing came to pass, Hurney is only mentioned as being at Herberts Pro Day. Strange that the person who was the main factor in forcing Rhule to sign Teddy, is not mentioned at all in regards to wanting TB. Only coaches that liked him before they were even in the NFL, or coached him before.

Nah. Just curious why the “fairy tale” wasn’t confirmed yet again. What would keep me up nights would have been if I spent the majority of the season posting passing charts and pounding the table that Teddy was really a better QB than everyone was saying? Can’t imagine how ignorant that would make me feel. Definitely would lose sleep if I did something like that.

Why did she leave out the part about Marty Hurney holding the entire coaching staff and front office at gunpoint until they signed TB to a contract? It’s been widely reported(lol) that it was Hurney, and only Hurney who wanted TB. Yet, once again, a team reporter makes no reference to it in a very specific article on that exact subject.

It was fairly easy to see what would happen before the fact as well. Many people did exactly that

Are you still trying to use the salary floor as an excuse for last year? Do you actually believe the cap number and the one used for the “floor” are the same? I thought we were past that. They are not. Ones cap space. Ones cash. That’s why your scenario makes no sense.

What rule am I not understanding? The only 80M I mentioned was the ballpark of money the Panthers wasted last year. Now how about you say what you are talking about and we can see who knows what. Why am I looking for 20M in any scenario?

What 4 year period? WTF are you talking about? Why am I looking for 20M?

What contract? And we have discussed the “salary” floor many times on here. Usually when someone tries to cover up an incompetent signing. I sure knew enough to know it didn’t matter to the Panthers last year, or any team that I can remember. Evidently it was your Hail Mary attempt by providing something you didn’t understand. Let’s go back to those “it’s not bad contract” threads and debate who understands the salary cap. I’ve got years of posts showing my knowledge. Where are yours?

Cause that number is based on cash paid out that year. Not the same thing, And since most contracts have dead money from bonuses already paid, or current ones with future bonuses, this is never an issue. Teams have been rolling over ridiculous amounts for years. They didn’t have to spend a thing. Have an understanding of a rule before using it as proof.

All the money they spent being “competitive”. You know like..... Teddy and 34-42M that you have insisted wasn’t a bad deal. KK-13M Okung-13M Weatherly, Roberts, Apple, Whitehead. How would that chart look with close to 100M beside the Panthers.

Who do you blame for spending 80M to make a 2-14 team a 5-11 team?

There the 13M of new money the team gave him last year. And dead money doesn’t change. They just paid a portion of it. The team spent 13M on an aging, injured DT on a team that should have been saving money not spending it. If you don’t understand this most basic concept of the salary cap,, you need to go back and do some more studying.

It is if the team is a contender and up against the cap. When you are a team that is(or should be) rebuilding, 5M should just be more rollover cap. This is the line of thinking that puts the Panthers in salary cap stress on an annual basis.