Mr. Scot

Nagy made his reputation working for Andy Reid... ...same as Bieniemy.

So did Matt Nagy at one point, as I recall. Heck, word these days is the Chiefs would prefer Nagy as a successor to Reid over Bieniemy. Bieniemy is leaving the Chiefs because he knows what the perception of him is and wants to disprove it. There is a chance, however, that he proves that perception correct.

Scott Turner...

And that proves he can be good somewhere else...how? There are a couple of others I could think of, but they're on the defensive side of the ball. Anybody who works under an established coach on the same side of the ball is going to get that question. Joe Lombardi could tell you that.

Yeah, that doesn't really mean anything. I'm pretty sure Bill Belichick endorses every member of his staff too, but how many of them have actually been successful elsewhere?

I'd say that gets balanced out by the coaches that try to make somebody into another Cam Newton when they're really not. True dual threats in general are way more rare than people think, especially at the college level. A good number of the QBs who get lazily labeled "dual threats" are really just running quarterbacks who can kind of pass or passers who can sort of run (with the former being more common).

There was...extensive discussion on that front

I get that. I just don't see nostalgia and scouting as a good mix. Like I said before, just find the best player available right now who fits your system. Who they happen to remind you of doesn't really mean anything. And hell, for the folks who do want to compare something, most of the guys they bring up would more closely compare to Michael Vick than Cam Newton. Newton was a really unique type of player. Hoping to find another one like him is kind of like looking for the next Julius Peppers. There's not going to be another Newton for a while.

Yeeeahhh, no he doesn't. And I feel pretty comfortable saying he's gonna get more than "a season".

Last year we had people saying the next Cam Newton could be found in Malik Willis. Does that still sound like a valid comparison?

I don't necessarily think I'd judge whether I want to avoid anything based on the fact that Matt Rule failed at it. That'd negate an awful lot of stuff

Or Jared Goff...

I've said in a couple of places that the people making comparisons to Cam Newton don't really remember just how unique Newton was. And that's another problem with nostalgia scouting. You go looking for the next version of a prior star but what you wind up with is the Wish version. Mentioned it previously, but Bill Polian thinking he was getting the next Jim Kelly when he drafted Kerry Collins is a prime example of that.

Eeehhh, I don't know about that. Bieniemy is trying to prove to people that it's him, not Andy Reid. It is possible however that it turns out it really was Andy Reid.

Yeah, he and a couple other guys bailed out as I recall. At least one of them actually ended up back with Rhule in Nebraska (Marcus Satterfield)

Heh Kudos for that one.

If you think my viewpoint is wrong, why didn't you just ignore it? (it's a discussion board)

What Reich primarily wants (at least from what he said so far) is accuracy, intelligence and good footwork. He considers mobility a plus, especially given the way quarterbacks are trending these days, but stated that a quarterback has to be able to win "from the pocket".

Didn't quote him so much as answered the question you were asking from my own perspective. I don't know what his answer is.

Just did... But no, that's not my first time. Hence why I said I don't like those kind of comparisons in general.

Which one?

Wouldn't so much say it bothers me as I just think it's kinda silly. Getting "the next (insert name here)" Is something I see a lot. Levis will be the next Josh Allen, somebody else will be the next Aaron Rodgers, etc etc. Said elsewhere that I know a lot of internet draftniks like using pro comparisons, but to me it's sort of lazy. Just evaluate their strengths and weaknesses rather than trying to make them the next whomever.

At the time, our prospects were Shane Steichen, Steve Wilks and Sean Payton so it was a reasonable joke. BUT ITS WRONG!!!

It'd be a little overboard to call Carr "trash" but while it doesn't necessarily happen all the time, improving one's situation by going elsewhere isn't all that rare. Jeff Garcia was a prime example. He could look like a world beater as long as you were running a West Coast Offense. Outside that, not so much. More recent examples would be Kirk Cousins rejuvenating his career in Minnesota or Jared Goff in Detroit. Hell, you could even point to Matt Stafford.

Previous TE coach who if I recall correctly was one of the guys who bailed on Rhule last offseason... (probably saw where things were headed)