Mr. Scot

Phrase that sticks out to me: "That job, working for that owner, is a tough sell right now." Sounds like Tepper is developing a reputation. I'd add that "playing chicken" with Rhule is an ego-driven, dumbass move.

I've heard stuff like this from a couple of different sources. Mark would have been a disaster of epic proportions

Ultimately, but I do think he floated a "trial balloon" of sorts first. Remember, Richardson initially said that the team would conduct an "internal investigation" into the allegations. I've long thought that he did this because he believed the boys club would have his back. They didn't. When he saw that they weren't going to let him just paper over what had happened, that's when he made the choice to sell and avoid the proverbial sh-tstorm. Even then though, Gantt reported he was bitter about the whole thing right up till the end.

Mark was known to be an absolute prick. Jon would have been better but his passing obviously made that impossible.

Faith in the wrong people is counterproductive.

Ugh

I'm surprised I hadn't seen that before

Less than 17...

Saw this from Ellis too, regarding the batted passes... It's not strictly a height issue.

The behind the scenes stuff we saw before showed him using some pretty raw language in private. He generally kept it clean in public though. Guess that's changed.

You realize those rankings 1) are subjective and 2) represent opinions of the franchise as a whole, including coaching. The other stuff isn't fact. It's just your opinion.

I think we have enough talent on the roster to be better than we are now with he right coaching. There are areas that still need work, but that's always true.

The Lions didn't disregard their defense. They just picked the wrong person to run it.

We're not making the playoffs.

We did. We also, after week one of this season, heard that passing is what wins in the NFL. So...

This is why I chuckle when people talk like just getting the best players can overcome terrible coaching.

Wa s thinking Millen was part of that particular disaster but I'd have to look it up (could be wrong).

Dan Snyder gave Ron Rivera full power in the organization and basically allowed him to restructure the front office as he saw fit. That restructure included getting rid of popular front office guy Kyle Smith in favor of former Panthers GM Marty Hurney along with former Lions GM (and Panthers GM candidate) Martin Mayhew. Mayhew is best remembered as the architect of the Lions team that went 0-16.

That's one reason why if we did go the young offensive mind route, I'd like to hire an older OC, preferably a former head coach. Ditto on the defensive side.

Speaking of our old friend Ron, things...aren't going well Yikes!

Not directly related to other games, but... To which one person responded thusly...

He wasn't. Dodds has this thing where he insists he won't take a GM job until he feels it's absolutely the right situation. He doesn't want to risk joining a bad organization and winding up fired or disgraced. Avoiding the Matt Rhule controlled Panthers was probably a wise move. That said, those standards might make it pretty difficult for him to actually get a job.

In part because he had the connections to hire a world-class staff. Instead he went heavy on less experienced guys and followed that up by drinking the Russell Wilson Kool-Aid. Mind you, he's still only in his first year, has already admitted to some mistakes and worked to correct them. That's pretty rare from an NFL head coach. I'll wait and see how that story plays out. Hell, people had Dan Campbell and Nick Sirianni pegged as busts early on too.

We're in a position to look down on anybody? But seriously, no. Plenty of successful head coaches have been plucked from teams that weren't winners. Remember, Bill Belichick was technically a failed Browns coach first. Likewise, several terrible head coaches came from winning programs. Take Matt Nagy or pretty much anybody that's been hired out of Belichick's Patriots tree.