Mr. Scot

Not contrarian at all... Philosophical. Look back at the Parcells quote mentioned above. It's a valid take. And as always, I'm in no way arguing that Bryce is or should be thought of as a franchise QB. Where I disagree is that a lot of the arguments being used to make that point are just plain terrible. Bryce is not the worst quarterback in history. Suggesting that is dumb. Neither is he even the worst quarterback in the NFL right now. Hell, he's not even in the bottom tier. And no, he isn't the primary reason for every game we've lost. Hell, I wouldn't even put him in the first, second or third tier of reasons we lost today. But here's the thing... None of those things have to be true to justify the argument to move on from him. Yet so many on here are pushing that point using arguments that are weak, lazy, emotional, irrational, illogical and hyperbolic to the point of being downright silly. (I would have said "logic" rather than risk sounding redundant by using "arguments" again, but none of what I'm describing rises to the level of being called "logic") You wanna argue for moving on from Bryce? Fine, I'm on your side... ...but don't do it like it's being done here. Acknowledge reality. Accept that Bryce is indeed capable of being a good quarterback...because he is. But he's not good enough, and you don't have to exaggerate the bad or deny the good to prove it. Doing so doesn't make your position look better. It actually makes it look weaker. On an intellectual level, it ranks roughly equal to saying we should have moved on from Cam Newton because he wasn't athletic enough

Has Bryce thrown more Interceptions this year than last? I haven't looked, but it doesn't feel like it. Honestly feels like his ball security is better this season than it's been any other year so far. Defensive minded coaches tend to subscribe to the old Bill Parcells philosophy that it's not the team who makes the most big plays that wins. It's the one that makes the fewest mistakes. And yeah, there's a lot of truth to that. And on that front, Bryce has cut down on his mistakes (I could argue significantly so). Doesn't make me wanna keep him, but I'm not gonna deny that.

I wouldn't say doghouse, I'd say outhouse. The difference of course is that, fired or not, I'm about 99% certain Evero won't be back next season. Bryce will, and quite possibly for the following year as well.

What's wrong in this take is it references a longstanding logical error... Quarterbacks don't play against other quarterbacks. Shough didn't outplay Bryce. He outplayed our defense. Mind you, that doesn't make the final result any better

Every quarterback in the NFl has bad plays in every game, and likewise weaknesses that show up on a weekly basis. If you stretch that sort of logic far enough, you wind up arguing that Cam Newton was the reason we lost every game we didn't win under him. Yes, that's dumb. And yes, Bryce is not consistently good enough to make him the future at quarterback. Nothing about today's game took away from (nor added to) that argument. So bottom line: It's still true, but damn, some of the emotional / irrational anti-Bryce takes I see on this board are dumbing down the conversation as a whole to utter ridiculousness

Is it impossible to win in the NFL without putting up huge passing numbers? (coaches who favor gameplans with a heavy run emphasis would probably be interested to know that) It's kinda like saying you can't win unless your team scores at least 21 points a game... except you can, as long as you hold the opposing team to 20 or less. Still waiting for the explanation of how Evero's issues are also Bryce's fault. (you left that part out)

He's actually admitted in the past that he sometimes intentionally posts stupid takes just for the hell of it. Is this one of them? Don't know Sometimes it's tough to tell if his arguments are intentionally dumb or honestly dumb.

I could watch this game and not see him as an issue. (in fact, I did) Other games? Maybe. This game? No. Despite the common mindset on here, not every loss or every issue the team has is traceable to Bryce.

You back to posting sh-tty arguments just for the hell of it or are you serious here? If you genuinely believe Bryce's skill set doesn't fit Canales approach, you may be in need of retaking Football 101, or at least the section of the course dealing with WCO concepts. I'm waiting for either you or Proudiddy to start a thread explaining how Ejiro Evero's issues are really Bryce's fault too. (was that a light bulb that just came on over your head?)

Yeah, if you think Ejiro Evero wasn't a huge part of today's loss, I can't help you

I was assured that the majority of post-game Bryce discussion threads were being started by stans Devoting an entire thread to Bryce after today's game is just silly.

Players made dumbass mistakes but to some level that can also be blamed on coaching. I'd probably put Bryce lower than #4 If I were bothering to make a longer list, but it isn't really necessary. The top three were enough.

Dude, come on At this point the reach is so far that I'm starting to wonder if you're trolling. (you're not, but the take you're throwing out here is just that bad)

There is one major coaching / braintrust decision that had a major effect on this game, but I doubt it's one you're thinking of...

Not for this game... I'd rank our top issues this game as follows: 1 - Ejiro Evero 2 - Dave Canales 3 - Numerous players makig dumbass mistakes Bryce is further down the list.

I agree that DC is a huge problem, but in my case those initials stand for Defensive Coordinator. Evero isn't likely to be back next season anyway but I'd still fire him tomorrow just on principle.

I'm not in favor of continuing long term with Bryce, but today's game isn't a good one to cite as an argument against him. This loss was a massive coaching failure, especially on the defensive side.

This one's on you

That was pointless

Alongside Evero...

Ho... ly... sh-t

Bend but don't break defense when the other team only needs a field goal to win has got to be an elite level of stupidity

Yeah, if we wind up losing this game, I'm not gonna put it on Bryce.

Kinda hoping that Saints fan's clown outfit winds up being appropriate