kungfoodude

I am generally not a fan of pointlessly trading down and I am definitely not a fan of trading out of the top 5 unless it is a HAUL. We very, very, very rarely win in those trade down scenarios. More often than not we lose. I would say just get a talented player with that top 5 pick. If some Panthers-esque team comes along and wants to send us an elite young player and a pile of picks, that is a different scenario.

Well he did let Rhule hire Fitterer and his entire Baylor college staff.

I will say this about Brooks. Let's not annihilate the kid on 2024 play when he does finally recover. He honestly should be generally expected to struggle given the situation. Now 2025? Bruh......you better be looking like Tomlinson.

I am not saying extend him now. I am saying we should have that discussion on the likelihood of an extension even being possible in the offseason because Johnson might be a guy that is a candidate to be moved before the trade deadline. That's the sole purpose of a discussion like that, to determine if there is even a future for him here at all.

That's the thing. You can get some serviceable and even starting caliber OL in the 3rd to 7th rounds. You don't have to reach on "your guys." Just make a good board and play it. Find guys that fit your scheme and coach them up as backups. In a 17 and soon to be 18 game season, you better have some OL depth.

Yeah, I mean I get the "old school" thought process here but we are in purely surviving until we can even get to a game mode. I think we have, what, 19 of the 53 out injured for this game?

Gettleman tried but failed miserably. Never forget Kalil 2.0.

But remember it isn't like we had any other options. You know, other than the 5th leading rusher in the NFL currently.

OL depth has been an issue for about 15-20 years. We should be taking at least one every draft in some capacity.

Yeah, hence why I say it has to make sense. I am fine with the Dalton's, Flacco's, etc until we get a guy. Just making a functional offense helps the whole organization. We have to start building a winning culture again too. That takes talent. fug it, you want to rock Jimmy G to 12+ wins for a few years and then trade the farm for Trey Lance....let's do it. But let's put ourselves in the same scenario in which we are so good at talent evaluation and have some much talent that is just a blip on the radar compared to a franchise direction nuking event like Bryce was for us. That's one reason I want to build a good franchise anyway. It ALLOWS for some of those wild trades because you already have a built team looking for 1 or 2 things. It's a lot less impactful than a team of 1 or 2 things that needs 30 or 40 more things.

I disagree generally. I am fine building the team because it also makes you an attractive option(eventually) for free agent QB's. Hard to draw any serious FA QB interest from veteran QB's(or quality starting ones) if you just don't have a team. Similarly, if we somehow end up with a younger QB this offseason or next, the lack of premium WR's will stick out like a sore thumb. It's hard to manufacture that from scratch. Look at Chicago. Yes they drafted Odunze too but he has been underwhelming so far as a rookie. But Williams DOES have good chemistry with the existing and very much capable DJ Moore. That transition would be far more complicated for Caleb minus DJ Moore. I don't want to overpay Johnson but we don't have any realistic WR options of his caliber without him. He's a legitimate NFL WR. Our other one is a very aging slot guy.

We did this with CMC making him the highest RB in NFL history and the proceeded to watch him miss 23 of the next 39 games he was here. Ironically he just again became the highest paid RB in NFL history and hasn't played a single game yet.

To me that is about two prices. The price Johnson wants and the trade offers we get. If he's reasonably affordable(sub-20 mil APY), I keep him and extend. If we get offered more than a 4th, that's an incentive to move him by the trade deadline.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Yep. I 100% agree. All I can say is that kid better be D-Will and J-Stew in one dude.

Yeah, the only guy I am probably having that discussion with is Johnson's agent in case we start getting viable trade offers. If he has zero desire to stick around or wants bananas money, you would be foolish to not consider trade offers.

He did legitimately give us a return to competent OL play for five full games. It's been a very long time since we had five competent offensive linemen starting. fuging crying shame it didn't last longer.

Eh....you know I would rather wait a little bit and end up overpaying for a great player than pay too early and find out they are not a great player. I really intensely dislike that move in all but a few cases.

Well I haven't personally smelled him but I assume largely sweaty, musky and perhaps some Dior Sauvage. @TheSpecialJuan will have the inside scoop here.

It's also the grader making an assumption(maybe educated, maybe not) on what the assignments or plays were. They are imperfect but a reasonable thing to use over time.

Yeah and Bryce was bailing from a clean pocket. That much was very obvious. Go watch those games again and it really stands out. I don't think any of us are trying to imply Ikey is the next Orlando Pace but he is blocking well enough to be effective. Heck, I think he is our 2nd highest rated OL on PFF(I know, I know).

Honestly, it would have to be a special prospect and I am not sure there are any of those in the top 5. There are some pretty amazing skill position players available and I would jump on those in a heartbeat. That is something we are completely lacking. I just hope with this pick we don't flub it entirely. Our track record recently in the first round has left a lot to be desired. Just get me a core player, that's all I ask.

Old country saying. I guarantee Xavier Legette knows it. If you have ever seen a crawfish shoot backwards through the water, you will get it immediately.

I don't think we really necessarily need him to be elite, just above average. Even Jordan Gross was only a 3x PB, 1x AP player(for reference Trai Turner was a 5x PB). We just need him to be above average, like Moton. So far this year(knock on Tepper's head), he has been. That said, I am am not saying we should pass on some generational LT prospect with our numerous top 5-10 draft picks over the next few seasons. BPA, all the way. I am merely stating that LT is finally not really a big need again. I'm fine filling the other 30-40ish needs on the roster first.

There has never been a time in Huddle history that I am aware of where the collective Huddle(low IQ and unqualified as it may be) is so frequently by consensus right about draft picks versus the Panthers than the Tepper era. It's fuging mind numbing.