kungfoodude

Haven't seen any of Carson Strong this year. Maybe he will be the guy I like from this class

@Tommy Jone You son of a bitch.....

Then I guess Sam doesn't get credit for his 5. In that case, he is even more atrocious.

Our OL is probably going to play better with Not Sam Darnold starting, I predict.

I would have no mercy at all on him.

Head hunt that dad bod bitch.

Yeah, this was largely predictable. That does make it so much more upsetting to see it go the way we thought it was going to go.

Yeah, I think there are levels of it. I am not talking about absolute certainty. I just mean someone you truly believe is going to be the answer. If you don't believe that, don't take him. If you don't have a first round grade on him, don't take him in the 1st. That kind of poo. That is really where we differ. I am not talking sure thing, I mean someone you BELIEVE in. Which, we have to be careful that Rhule doesn't talk himself into a bum. It has happened twice already.

Every single thing about him screams used car salesman.

Also, this is the 4th straight year that Darnold hasn't been able to stay healthy am entire season. But we didn't need a real backup QB, of course. And how many games have Elflein and Erving missed so far?

Brady and Robby have their own issues but this is so obviously predominantly Darnold. How many times do you see him bail after one read and start rolling out while his 2md or 3rd read is wide open? It happens way too often. The coaches have basically been telegraphing the fact that he cannot be trusted for 3 weeks now. All that "running the ball more" and all that other BS, that was them admitting they had to take the ball out of his hands. My ultimate guess is that Brady and Rhule are paring down and simplifying the playcalling to make things easier on Darnold to get him going. Then he is just further fuging it up. That dude just does not have any NFL abilities between his ears.

I think we will at least see some splash plays in between insanely poor decisions.

No, I would have taken any of those top 4 in the top 10. Jones I would have considered in the 15 and lower range. He just wasn't high on my board. I think Wilson will end up being the biggest risk guy and Jones will be better than expected. TBD, I mean these guys are in the infancy of their careers.

Oh yeah. Plus....the more I dug into him the more he seemed like a hard working guy with a MAJOR chip on his shoulder that caused him to dig deep to be better. I just think he will work really hard to keep improving every day.

I had the 2021 class as this: Elite 1. Lawrence 2. Lance Near Elite 3. Fields High Risk Gamble 4. Wilson Low Ceiling, High Floor 5. Jones I definitely was much higher on Lance than almost anyone.

I can one up that. I said drafting him would be "...the biggest mistake in franchise history."

Depends on where we are in the draft. If we have the ability to get an elite LT, get him. Of we have the ability to get an elite iOL, get him. If we land in a funny range where we might be reaching and can snag two decent OL prospects by trading down, do that instead. It's gonna be situation dependent, obviously. I would never trade down if there is a top flight OL prospect, however. That is not smart. That is also what I would expect to happen.

I said this would not be a top 10 defense this season.

So he has five years to not win back to back season before you fire him? What if that is 5 straight losing seasons? Still waiting 5?

Depends on the caliber of prospect. QB will always be the #1 priority in the modern NFL. It's the most important position on the field. But if you have an elite OL prospect available and middling QB prospects, you take OL. If you have elite QB and OL prospects available, you take QB. Our issue on the OL cannot be fixed solely by free agency. It will be far, far too expensive. It also isn't going to get fixed in one offseason, the needs are far too many. Ideally, get a great OL prospect in round one this year(provided no elite QB prospect are available) and that is at least a start. Add another above average OL in free agency and now we have some base to work from. Just keep steadily building and investing in the OL(and any othet obvious holes) while you maneuver for an elite QB. Either in free agency, via trade or through the draft. But, both situations have to change. You can't have a bottom tier OL and the worst QB in the NFL. That won't work anywhere.

He is quite literally one of the worst I have ever seen at it. It's crazy. The craziest part? There was three years of film showing the same thing under two different offensive coordinators.

Same as this one.

Plus, Teddy played far better in front of the same line(basically) and in the same offense. That is as damning as anything.

Yep. It buys you time to build and find not only a QB but an OL. Teddy can make up for some of their deficiencies(and he did) but Darnold amplifies them. They got greedy and thought they were gonna win now. Guess who that sounds a lot like? Marty Hurney. Sam will likely never start another game here again. That experiment is so over that it should be a fireable offense to even out him in the game other than as a backup after the starter got injured. I think the staff also realizes that he will not play here anymore either. That's why they keep dumbing down the offense and trying to keep the ball out of his hands. You keep intersecting meaning in what I am saying. Point out where I said I am content being average "for years to come?" This is the same as me saying your point is that we need to be terrible for decades to get a QB in the draft. Neither of those is true so you need to stop interjecting the argument to want to argue against and just accept what I am saying in the literal sense. That's why I am pointing out the dangers of doing what you are talking about. I am not making definitive statements about it. Maybe we stink for a year or two and end up with the next Peyton Manning. Or maybe we stink for 15-20 years trying to find the next Peyton Manning. That's what I am saying, the teams that are constantly drafting high typically stay in those cycles for a long time. The reason being exactly what I am talking about. Mismanagement, poor evalutions, panic drafting and poor coaching. Any or all of those can keep you in a rut for decades. Sure, most teams don't maintain a lengthy period of high level of competitiveness, that is absolutely true. But would you rather be the Pats, Chiefs, Packers, Colts, Seahawks, Steelers or do you want to be the Falcons, Texans, Vikings, etc. Do you just want to be able to randomly put together a few great seasons or be in contention for the long haul? I thought that was literally the point of this rebuild. The former teams that I mentioned have rarely experienced "bad" seasons. They have mostly been average to elite. That isn't my accident. I would never in a million years argue against the value of an elite QB. Never. In fact I am on record here as repeatedly saying that it is the most important piece of a successful modern NFL team. By a wide margin. But, this acknowledgement doesn't mean that I want us to just draft a top 5 QB of every draft class. Look back 20 years and you are gonna find some amazing years for that and then a lot of really awful years for that. That's basically my entire point and why I keep beating on the evaluation and not reaching. If you don't believe he IS The Guy, then don't waste valuable draft capital on a guy that MIGHT be The Guy. After all, that is basically how we ended up with Sam Darnold.