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He was a lot more solid tackling this past season. I realize that bar is low.

If he is largely viewed as a slot guy by the league, his value would obviously drop in the open market. One thing that is hard to deny is he is one of the best TO producing DB's we have ever had. That also adds a lot of value.

I think Jackson has been better/more consistent than Samuel was up to his contract year. I think his injury red flags are higher than Samuel. He is going to be a REALLY tough decision to make. Samuel was great in 2020 but his production can be replaced a lot easier than Jackson's ability and production.

None of these guys are perfect prospects, but that isn't a big shock. I think if you line up the pros and the cons, Jones has way more cons than the rest of those other 4 guys do IMO. I can see the argument to a higher overall floor than some of them but his ceiling is just so low. His best case range doesn't have a lot of elite QB's in it.

The funny thing about him is that even the Lance stans(and I am largely one) can understand the criticisms of him as a prospect. The Jones stans cannot wrap their heads around why people don't like him as a prospect. IMO, you really have to believe in that elite processing and upper tier decision making idea for him to be a top 10 prospect.

Aside from Jackson, who has a bad injury history, we need both outside and slot guys. Elder was pretty good at nickel. Pride was pretty bad at times but he's a mid-round rookie, so I think he probably just needs some more development time. He definitely has a lot of potential. Maybe by year 3 the light will really start to come on. I don't think we can conclusively say that any of these guys will be here in 2-3 years, so I don't think we should pass up the opportunity to get better at the position.

IDK. So hard to know what the market is going to look like. If it is anything like the normal free agency period, if he doesn't get signed in the first week or so, he probably isn't going to get a big deal.

I disagree but you will have plenty of crow to serve if that is indeed the case.

Okay. That makes sense, in that case. Objection withdrawn.

Okay, so this is a rating that doesn't take into account the actual performance of the guys in the NFL last season?

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Yeah, quite honestly, I would take Herbert over any of those QB's at the moment. Only maybe Fields and Lance can touch his ceiling and he has actually shown it on the field.

Interesting ranking. Why would you take Burrow, Wilson and Tua over Herbert?

Yeah, that's also not a really high bar. The "best ball of his career" still might just be enough to be a middling NFL starter, unless it is a big step up from where he has been playing.

I tend to agree with that. Teddy isn't much worse, if at all worse than most of the free agent options. Especially when you consider that you have to either tie more money up into the position by signing an additional free agent QB that might compete or generate a big chunk of dead money by jettisoning Teddy. If we can't get Watson or draft a QB, it probably makes more sense to just stand pat and build with what we have for the short term.

No, he isn't. They can just flat out sign him if they want him.

"Never" is a bad take. The draft is all about risks. It all comes down to how much you trust your organizational evaluation. If your scouting department, coaching staff and GM all think Player X is "the guy" then maybe that big price to go get him isn't outlandish. But, you are then subject to the backlash if that ends up whiffing. We just got rid of a front office guy that had a lot of "bold" takes on prospects. It didn't work out too well.

Eh......yes he is just a one year guy but I don't know that I would peg him as a prospect I would expect to have much in terms of ceiling. Reasonably high floor(probably solid journeyman backup QB level) to fairly low ceiling(Chad Pennington, Case Keenum ish) starter in the NFL. Could he be Brees? Eh.....maybe, but that seems like taking a pretty big gamble on him being the outlier. I think that is the thing that makes him a polarizing prospect. Some see that he seems to have a grasp for some of the more nuanced aspects of the position and then the rest will see the very obvious physical/skill limitations.

That's just it. We have no idea what our actual QB evaluation will be. If we trade up, we'll have some idea.

Don't kink shame.

Tired of getting pics of his butthole?

Depends on the ultimate cost. We are in the speculation heavy portion of the offseason. Things will be clearer in a couple of weeks.

Not what I would call high caliber starters, at the moment. TBD if that will remain the case.