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if BY threw the ball well, Tmac and Renfrow would have both had very good days. I mean, I don' think Canales is very good. But the game still setup for a lot of big pass plays that didn't happen because of BY

you can clown him for the deep ball to Tmac he actually got off. Tmac had the defender beat over the top. Tmac had to hit the breaks and come to a complete stop and wait on it to come down. Then it becomes a 50/50 ball we thankfully got PI on. you can't clown him for the one he didn't get off....you just can't assume he would have made a good throw if he got it off

I don't think Canales was doing Evero a solid. The Carolina front office wouldn't let Evero go. Which was always weird. Someone at BOA hasn't been letting head coaches be in total power. Frank wasn't. Canales doesn't appear to be

Joe must not have a PFF subscription. Someone should let him know that was actually a top 10 performance by Bryce.

the people that brought us the Frank Reich clusterfug......are essentially the exact same folks who brought us this era clusterfug. They just removed Fitterers face.

We saw Tmac beat his man earlier in the game for a nice vertical throw. Bryce couldn't make a good throw. Tmac had to hit the breaks and come to a complete stop. Became a true contested 50/50 ball that never should of been that. We thankfully got the PI out of it. WR vertical downfield with a step on a defender is BY's worst throws. He underthrows them or leads them out of bounds. There is no easy TD for BY on those.

so you are going with just a horrific pass to Saunders? well, I guess I am less of a Bryce hater than some think. Because I don't think BY is THAT bad.

correct, when BY looks, the throw isn't there. Then he can't see as the play develops into a wide open Saunders in front of him for a relatively easy throw. 2 things prevented that TD. Bryce getting blind/size issue and Bryce giving up and opting to chunk it into the stands as Saunders get in place for an easy score. What do people think Dave told Bryce after that play?

https://x.com/jasrifootball/status/1965104365515276647?s=46 Saunders still gets wide open in front off Bryce for an easy throw and is staring BY down…..Bryce just gave up looking for a throw and had committed to just sailing into out of bounds by that point though (and Bryce no longer looking to make a real play). which I suspect is what Dave likely could of said to him that caused that helmet smash. Good QBs find those throws when things aren't perfectly executed. That certainly what he is supposed to be for us right now. But it's still just all the WRs fault for the 3rd year in a row. Or coaches. Or OLs.

we have Jaycee Horn's incredible INT to thank for it not being the Travis Hunter show today. would have been an 8 catch, 100ish yard day if not for that.

what route was he supposed to run? even if he did.... the entire thing setup perfect in the end for a relatively easy throw Saunders right in front of Bryce's face.

I mean, the path to beating AZ is repeating the plan that beat them last year....which really looked like the initial plan on Sunday. Which is run the ball. Hope AZ makes some mistakes. Ask BY to do little and not fug it up. BY fugged it up Sunday.

Maybe it’s some PR scheme at this point because PFF is saying, Bryce is a top 10 QB thus far into season. He is at the #9 ranking lol.

USA Today has the same numbers up in their weekly top 5 https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/panthers/2025/09/08/panthers-pff-grades-jaguars-week-1/86041090007/ I would write PFF and demand a refund I still paid for their stuff. I quit a long time ago when they would just randomly put out some mindboggling stuff. Overall, I do like them for some things. But they get whacked out sometimes with stuff that is just wildly off. Whatever formula they use to check their boxes....can still run counter to basic reality at times when it all dumps in.

PFF will remind you over and over again.....why they can't be actually be trusted and often put out bunk info. Bryce with the #3 best O performance is your reminder. No sane person would actually say BY was better Sunday than Hubbard nor would say they they were even in the same ballpark that day. No one should be paying for PFF if that's what they are saying after Sunday.

ignoring Canales? I don't like anything Carolina has going on at essentially anywhere. Owners, GM, HC, players. I don't think Canales is good. I think he is a cheerleader that will need players to basically bail out his meh O. And I would prefer he just be cheerleader HC and go hire someone to do his O for him. I said that year 1 of Canales.

I 100% see Pete Carroll's influence on Canales O' in Tampa and now Carolina. Canales is very much old school in terms of building out his offensive gameplan and play calling.

for all the "dawg" talk....Panthers have essentially no attitude on the entire roster. I mean, you can maybe make the Horn argument because of his play style but even Horn comes off as a pretty dang nice dude. The ending of the Ron/Cam era.....ended the dawgs in Carolina. Think Rhule couldn't handle a locker room if they existed. And we have never added them back once that house cleaning occurred.

He was Pete Carroll's passing game coordinator. He was Pete Carroll's WR coach. He was Pete Carroll's QB coach. That's his coaching tree. That's where he saw success. You can't say that is meaningless......when he clearly took THAT knowledge and applied it to his OC gig in Tampa. And we are seeing that here. I'm not giving him credit for anyone's work. I'm just acknowledging how Dave Canales was made....and you literally can see how he has applied what he learned from Pete....in Tampa and now Carolina. Because he is playing Pete Carroll Seattle ball (which was always west coast Foxball).

Frank made sense only in that.......the org was coming off the Rhule poo show. And the Frank era was basically going to the opposite end of the spectrum and trying to be NFL respectable again. I get that. But then Tepper paired the old dog coach up w/ some anomaly QB that would require Shanahan and unique weapons.

Canales does have a system, way to play the game. It's methodical running to set up the big aggressive pass play downfield. Wilson, Geno, Baker. That's all he knows. Every stop of his career, that's what he was involved with. That's football to him. He isn't a creative type. He was always going to come in and be what he knows. He told us that. and once poo hits the fans, I don't listen to coaches make excuses on the microphone. Canales is being exactly what we hired. When we hired him, it was clear Foxball was returning.

There just is no vision or plan that gets carried out. You can see that every step of the way. We get in our own way. Love or hate Rhule. There was a top down vision day one. That got scrapped because Teddy hurt feelings. A respectable plan thrown out the window and we went down the win now table scrap vet panic hunt. Teddy was supposed to get two years. Install the NO O variant. Provide stability and you draft a QB to bring up slowly. At least the initial plan made sense. They failed to execute it. Frank sort of made sense too. Hire all these boring old coaches. Get respectable. But then they spent all their resources on anomaly QB they didn't want or fit what the staff would be doing. Canales. I still contend there was a general consensus he didn't fit and they would move past Bryce and relatively fast. Two games in.....Bryce's career was ended here. The entire football world basically acknowledged it. But then....they failed to execute the plan. They didn't trade Bryce. They made things weird and let him back on the field and the media and fans ran with this "comeback" story that fugged them. Here we are. outside of Rhule, I'm not sure anyone was really horrible in a vacuum. It's horrible they way we put stuff together and fail to have any real vision.

There is quote from Canales somewhere when we hired him. He was blunt he isn't some creative mind. He was going to come in here and do X......and that was going to be closer to Foxball than anything we have seen. And that largely has held true. It's why he REALLY needs that Jake Delhomme type. Baker was that. The downfield gunslinger. Big plays exist in his O. You need a gambling QB to go make them downfield. Bryce pulled the trigger once this week. But he is just bad at it. It was that Tmac deep ball that ended up being a PI. Tmac had his dude beat. That was the homerun ball this O sets up. But Bryce underthrew it. Tmac had to slam on the breaks and come to a full stop and wait for it. Those just aren't Bryce's throws. Sure we got the PI. Some might celebrate that aspect. But that throw highlights Bryce doesn't make those throws well. Your WR shouldn't have to come to a complete stop and wait....when he has the guy clearly beat for the over the top play. That's what the entire thing sets up. Bryce rarely takes the shot. When he does, it's generally not a great ball.

yeah, true house cleaning is what should happen. But it's going to be REALLY hard to do that given qualified people don't want to come here. We saw that. Tepper even hired folks to help him. That's why we ended up w/ Dan and Canales. I don't think Tepper really meddles in the day to day really. I just think he hires bad people. Or more so, he creates environments where things don't mesh well. I think soccer has been easier for Tepper's approach and to find success. It's less complicated to a degree. Less parts to get on the same page.

It's not that Tepper is meddling....it's that post Rhule he has been just expecting random pieces to just work out. The people don't fit together at key/pivotal spots. Rhule era was incompetence at the helm. Frank era was a bunch of random people. Then the player talent didn't match what the coaches would be doing. The Canales era is basically a repeat of the Frank era. Player talent doesn't align w/ what the coaches are doing. We are trying to run a 3-4 D without the fundamental players for a 3-4 D. The coach and staff are thrust upon the HC. On O, we hired a HC that runs an old school O and the key piece is a traditional downfield gunslinger to make that old approach work. Bryce isn't a QB that can make it work. He doesn't have the arm. What he does throw downfield is whack. Easiest fix right now is removing Bryce, Evero and probably Dan Morgan