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Yeah, the Panthers are the #30 O and the #30 pass O. Basically any rookie WR is going to have built in lower production as a product of being here. While Bryce is improving this pass attack is still very weak and non-threatening (which a lot of that is the QB and playcalling).

I mean, we had 149 passing yards… Not sure that really highlights that much. XL is just a little raw and looks as such. Which everyone should have expected that to show IMO, I still like the dude. I don’t think the playcalling has been great for him this season.

NFL is full of dumb humans and egos. I'm surprised we don't hear more about all the issues in house teams deal w/ in today's leak world. I mean, some teams have really kept some nightmare stuff pretty quiet for years.

Carson Beck officially out for the rest of the season.

I’m old. This season feels like 3 wrapped up in one. I didn’t look. I just remembered the recent Giants, Panthers, Raiders, etc stuff.

10 years? lol. That's funny. Not sure Tom Brady would survive 10 years on a David Tepper team. Tepper already showed he was cool moving on from Bryce 2 games into year 2. Injury brought Bryce back.

Cardinals have a better defense. It's not a good defense. Kyler has meh weapons. Bryce has meh weapons and a great OL. literally every team has hung around with KC this year. It's not an achievement this year to do that. They aren't playing good football. They just can beat teams in the end. Cardinals aren't some great team etiher. But now vastly superior just for the sake of exaggerating Bryce? Tampa isn't even good. There record is built off of beating the bottom 4th of the NFL.

Guess it really comes down to the various differences in the meaning of what is and isn't franchise level QB play. I mean, most people IMO in these talks have different bars of what is and isn't franchise level QB play. Normally it's 2 people with different bars. I mean, I don't think there are many actual franchise QBs. And Bryce certainly in this 8 game stretch hasn't played like the guys I call franchise QBs. He is playing like a serviceable starter in this 8 game stretch.

stats sort of tell partial truths though. I mean, two RBs could average 5 yards a carry. That alone doesn't mean they have run similar. Could be vastly different in terms of how they got to that. Those 3 offenses are vastly different on the year and what they ask of the QB.

well, I supported the Panthers taking a swing at QB. I still think that was the right call. But just because you hit a foul ball and didn't get what you thought.....doesn't mean you got to triple down on it and try to manifest it somehow working out. I mean, clearly we missed on what we thought Bryce was/is. Now can he be serviceable? I think so. But there really is little point in pretending he is going to be better than a serviceable starter. Which isn't what the gamble/swing was for.

I mean, the vintage Sean Payton offense is what it is. That's why I talk about the bomb throws. It's part of it. Which is why every week Nix is launching it 30+ yards downfield. The threat and consistency of that is part of what makes that thing tick. Small ball is hard when you don't have that. An old Brees was able to pull it off at the end simply because he was GOAT. Young QBs can't just play small ball. If they do, it means defenses cheat on routes/coverage...which we have seen a lot with Bryce. I don't know what the Canales O is. Maybe there isn't some set O. I know what he did in Tampa and what we do here this year....aren't the same.

I mean, the reality is Hubbard stayed on the field and Connor went down in the 3rd. That's why the Panthers won. The whole this QB outplayed that QB simply because one team won just isn't always the statement some make it to be. So many factors out there for each. College football playoff this weekend, the by far best QB performance of the weekend was a losing QB. He wasn't outplayed by the other QB. The other team was simply better than his team.

I mean, he wouldn't. Bryce doesn't naturally fit that O. It's not the old man Brees offense. That's the one Bryce techincally fits. Brees could only pull that off because he was a certified HOF. It's the young Brees O. The haymakers have never been Bryce's game. Not even college. Bo Nix is throwing them every week. That's part of why the small ball works in that setup so well. Because the bombs are randomly coming. D can't just play the small ball.

big time throws is sort of a weird stat though given what how they define them. I don't pay for PFF anymore. Pro football reference has a disturbing amount of bad throws accounted to Bryce Young's name though given he sat for a big chunk of the season. #8 in poor throws despite 23rd in pass attempts. I mean, his strength really isn't his strength IMO. He sort of just an odd ball in many ways. Best part about Bryce is how slippery he is to date IMO.

Bo Nix is bascially executing the Payton/Brees offense each week. With the signature bomb throws mixed in of the young Brees years. Every week he is consistently chucking it deep deep. He also is a rookie and wasn't that wasn't the #1 overall pick. I mean, Bryce might be able to do some Russell Wilson moon balls and mix that in once we get better talent. I still think a lot of NFL throws are off the table given the setup he would need to get the ball there.

guess it depends on what you mean by franchise QB. I don't think he can be that at this stage. I think he can be as serviceable starter. Just lacks the tools at this level to meet my definition of a franchise QB. I do think he will be our QB for a couple years as we try to build up a respectable overall team/roster.

I mean, that is the definition of a safe gameplan coupled w/ Hubbard. It's all check downs or throws to the outside and away from coverage.

true, but it's a tough reality to accept often that it's all we can ask for....from the #1 overall pick, we gave up the farm for, in year 2.

the gameplan was very QB friendly. That aspect has a lot to do w/ the odds of ending up w/ a good grade. Heavy run w/ a safe/conservative pass plan.

we need a defensive heavy draft. I'm still on the double up Carter train. Penn St Carter in the 1st and Clemson Carter in the 2nd. Front 7 players. Maybe corner in the 3rd.

Media figured out at Auburn what types of clicks they can make off of Cam and it never stopped. A towel on the head!!!!!!!!! Unhappy after a loss. Meanwhile Tom Brady out there throwing temper tantrums that by 4 year old was taking notes on. Competitive drive.

it's the overpromotion factor in play. Every great QB coach isn't supposed to be a great OC. Every great OC isn't supposed to be a great HC. Ron Rivera was a very good DC in the NFL.

I've conceded Bryce is the QB for the foreseeable future. And what we are presently seeing, is basically the dude we drafted. A game managing point guard attempting to grow and be better at that. Bryce Young simply doesn't have the tools to be playmaker. That's not what he is. We will have to slowly acquire playmaker for him to distribute the ball to. Hopefully that plan leads to a the creation of a solid football team and when we reach that point....then most likely will then have to go find a QB to plug into that.

Cam Newton was the most scrutinized player of the last 2 decades. And it started before he played a down and never stopped.

Tepper has never shown a frustrating level patience with anything. Fair to say it was Dave’s decision or at the least stamped by Dave to bench Bryce Young 2 games into this season (which was barely 1 full season of games before he was basically willing to move on). Bryce got back do to injury and sort of slowly got the spot back by default/no choice. Nothing is actually a given going forward. Dave is a bad owner. Dave does apparently see meh on football field and generally moves away from it. Issue is always the new direction he chooses isn’t always wise. But he throws away weak hands quicker than almost anyone in the NFL