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I'd have no issue w/ a Trey Lance coming in and competing for the backup job. And if he earned that? Well, if things got rocky you could give it a shot. But bringing in Lance to be your QB #1 battle out the gate? No thanks.

Almost everyone is an upgrade. We could ignore all starting QBs and list the 32 backup QBs in the NFL.....and find a ton of upgrades. I mean, many if the convo is just about who is better today and that's all the convo is.

my guess on that is.... Tepper hires people. Often bad people. He is nosey. He is hard. I think he wants final thumbs up or down on select things. But he largely lets bad people do their job....until he fires them. I do think he was the tie breaker on Bryce. and I think Bryce Young was largely a Carolina GM decision. Fitterer, Morgan and their team. That's how we got him. Tepper sided with their argument over Team Frank. I think Tepper gave Canales the thumbs up to part last season with Bryce. Then I think they all sort of got blinded that he could be fixed and gave it a go this year.....after this mistake of allowing the return from the dead and miracle. I don't buy this unique only to Bryce argument that Tepper is tripling down on something that doesn't work. That's not the Tepper way at all. I think you got to fault the GM office the most. I think that's the team w/ the most egg on their face and the most at stake in the BY argument. And I also think, Morgan is merely here because David Tepper couldn't find anyone good that was willing to come here.

Heinicke to me falls into the gamer/gameday category. The type that looks better on gameday than in a practice week. Dudes just going to find a way to make some random plays. The every day consistency or in game consistency just isn't going to be there.

I mean, he is completely washed and old. And he keeps injury the same thumb over and over because he is old and broken down. I still think a fully healthy Dalton over an extended period if you can get it (which you can't) is a more threatening team than Bryce at QB. He made it what, one series before hurting it again.

Even teams with the world in the palm of their hands at the QB spot like the Commanders hitting on Jayden Daniels......added Marcus Mariota and Josh Johnson this offseason. which is a legit backup QB in Marcus. And then a legit practice QB with high end tools (not brain) for practice. Carolina is in such a weird place even the PJ Walker tier of QB gets weird to have in house because while they might be bad NFL QBs, there tools and ability on a practice field blows Bryce out of the water. There is a reason Dalton is the backup....and our 3rd stringer this summer was who it was for a reason. It's because Bryce lacks so much it makes things really weird to have effective backup tier players or bad randoms with NFL skill sets/tools in house.

remember when Canales this year went to painful effort to get the hail mary opportunity before the half.....and did a Tommy Tremble screen pass. Because yeah, Tommy Tremble shaking and baking for 50 yards is logical attempt lol. Hail mary at least gives you shot at PI and the ball at the 1.

I think if you have a naturally conservative coach, they almost have to be paired w/ an aggressive QB. Jake and Cam were naturally aggressive. You know they often irritated coaches with their decisions often. But both Fox and Ron needed that "correction" to their systems. Same is true for Canales. I think his personal DNA is likely conservative despite the offensive tree he comes from (which is still the O) Bryce isn't going to challenge it because it he doesn't have the tools or ability. But Canales' entire O in Tampa was pretty boring O....with Baker bailing him out on 3rd down downfield.

I still think a Dalton thumb injury screwed us 2 seasons in a row. It allowed the Bryce Young comeback after whoever finally gave a greenlight on being done w/ him 2 weeks into the season. and I think we saw a soft benching this year and they wanted to see Andy run it with this crew. But Andy hurting his thumb killed us from seeing whatever he has at full go in a game. Bryce Young was never hurt those 2 games to the degree which called him to miss a game IMO. You don't see QBs sit for such minor things....unless you just want to use it to explore and see.

no doubt. I have zero faith in Bryce Young. But if the Panthers employed me tomorrow and a reporter point blank asked me if I believed in player Bryce Young being able to do doing Y.....I would at least lie and say yes and then say a bunch of gobbly goo about it's not just about him. I thought Dave choosing not to endorse his belief on Bryce when asked straight up there was either he spits SO MUCH bologna he forgot the technical right bologna and isn't even really listening to any questions....or water is just so wet he can't directly lie when it is that narrowed down.

Reporter 5 is the one that stands out for me. The coach speak answer is some form of 100% we do followed by bologna. But he didn’t do it.

I think Deion knows he had a hand in what happened with his son and has corrected his ways.

I think largely that wave that would have followed him specifically when he went to the NFL to see what would happen likely already went away and quit caring.

There are tons of articles breaking BTJ’s bad play down this year. Specifically him shying away and giving up. Especially early this year. That’s when he was at his worst. Hell, he has been better post “injury”. and the entire BTJ break out was all Mac. Not Trevor. Those are polar opposites throwing the ball. BTJ has sucked this year. Just a fact. People defending him and claiming others don’t watch is just silly. And for the record, the guy who says Trevor has a PJ Walker brain doesn’t want Trevor lol. I also had to talk sense into people when half the board wanted Watson lol. Not sure what the spin attempt elsewhere in the thread is about lol.

I mean they weren’t. Dude was getting roasted by everyone early this year. It’s a simple google. It’s not my creation lol. now will Trevor leave someone hanging? Every now and then. Dude is more PJ Walker between the ears than Peyton

I mean A+ for effort boss. You doing a victory lap with no victory shown lol. saying Renfrow should only make the roster over Moore or that today he likely serves more purpose for Bryce than Horn (if it’s a Bryce convo)….isn’t a example of Clemson homerism. Nor is pointing out BTJ has sucked this entire season and especially before his in season shoulder injury. And I consistently call Trevor operating with a PJ Walker operating system brain that dates back to Clemson. You manifesting the over the top homerism here lol

All this big time throw stuff and junk from last season always leaves out a very important fact about last season…… actual number of passes completed. And it wasn’t good then. Just like his rookie season before or this year.

Tell me you don’t watch the Panthers yet have to churn out content. Bryce not that bad….because Carolina has managed to win a couple really odd ball games where he was largely a spectator?

you trying to use a week 7 injury explain away why he has been compete ass the entire season? dude was given a thumbs up and all dealt from the mini camp thing. If you are going to use that then every player in the NFL got a forever excuse hell, without looking I’ll bet you a nickel most of his drops are before week 7. And his trash play was talked about nationally before week 7 BTJ also has never had any chemistry with Trevor. Ever. The whole BTJ breakout wasn’t even with Trevor it…was with a noddle arm QB that plays the game different/different ball than TL. THAT is the real issue. Dude don’t want to catch them balls.

Yeah, it’s big. He was playing scared of contact and with really bad hands. And the Jags around Trevor have let him down in some big moments. Trevor is sort of consistent IMO in his inconsistency. He has been Trevor. Biggest problem is the Jags primary WR didn’t show up this year. I keep tabs on the Jags. Trevor is no different than what they paid for. I’d trade BTJ.

well we do disagree. And it’s really semantics. Tepper has hired and fired at really absurd levels at Charlotte FC and the Carolina Panthers (both coaches and front offices). Thats IS admitting mistakes and moving on quick (which isn’t always the NFL way). You claim it’s blaming others. Doesn’t really matter how you frame it. The moving on action is what it is. end of the day when things are bad, Tepper is not the type to keep giving things that don’t work time. That’s the philosophy of others. Which you see by lots of NFL time. Two different ways ego plays out. Tepper isn’t riding some stock down the toilet when he realizes it is bad. He sells. Sure he might lay blame. but the sticking with Bryce aspect screams others IMO. Not Tepper.

Not sure you really disagreed lol

NFL is slam full of bias and idiots….who pretend things are super complicated. Like everywhere else. They generally aren’t complicated. Bad decisions get made because of ego and idiots. Bryce Young didn’t fit Frank and didn’t fit Dave. It’s not rocket science. It’s legos. why didn’t Baker work here? Well, he wasn’t allowed to be Baker and he was never given the team to be Baker. Sam IMO was largely Sam and given the opportunity to be it. DJ Moore just isn’t the last 2 WRs Sam has been paired with

I think this is Twitter fan talk. Contract keeps Trevor there. I think BTJ has been the real let down in that O this year. More so than Trevor.

BTJ has played bad this year though. Leads NFL in drops as well. Trevor’s played better than his stats show. But he has always been scatter brained since Clemson