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I don't think there is any chance. I think the moment he sent that tweet that was critical of coaching, Canales immediately went back to a 50/50 backfield. Which stinks because Rico was my fantasy gamechanger that was putting me over the top

I mean, as a Renfrow guy I would like to see him. BUT, Renfrow serves no purpose outside of this year. Is he a better WR than Horn today at actually playing? Easily. But Bryce Young's ball placement is bad (the tiny WR seems to really highlight that) and Renfrow's best game is really carving up areas of the field Bryce Young can't see well. The argument that developing Jimmy Horn makes more sense but they aren't developing him. They seemed to quit that the week he got activated lol and he runs the same 3 plays on repeat (which is good for about 2 weeks in the NFL). I think we saw enough to know Renfrow still has it and if paired with a surgical quick game he would have had a nice role somewhere (but that ain't us).

I mean, if you look at Bryce’s history vs the Saints it’s some of his worst stuff. But it’s been across multiple staffs so who knows. but yeah, you are right to point out the blitz packages the Saints ran were unique. IMO they really served 2 functions…. 1. They were baiting Bryce. His early pick that was wiped for a late roughing the passer. They sent a blitz and if I recall right he essentially threw to that WR and coverage came from elsewhere. The other pick was the fake blitz where the fake blitzer went out and got the INT likely because Bryce can’t see over the G,T….. 2. On a lot of plays it also seemed like the actual blitzer was playing his predictable rolls out of the pocket to buy time when he doesn’t throw in rhythm. He always spins to the same side and generally that’s where the blitz was coming. it was a solid plan that worked. Not sure it’s repeatable. I mean, if Canales can’t beat it and they roll that out twice that’s bad on him but you are 100% right on Renfrow in theory makes a lot of sense but Bryce has negative chemistry with him and can’t put but the ball on him when wide open

That’s nice in theory, but Bryce can’t pit the ball on tiny Renfrow. But you are right. Renfrow would make a lot of sense if the Saints repeated the game plan for the first matchup over Horn but but probably makes more sense to just run it with Coker. whatever it is, and maybe some of it is player personnel given it extends beyond one staff but the the Saints have straight up had Bryce’s number better than anyone

really feels like both the Saints and Panthers D had the exact same gameplan last meeting. Put it on the opposing QB. Kamara sort of washed at this point. Hope they keep up the Taysom Hill experiment. That doesn't work this year off his injury and it just fugs up the flow of offense.

That sounds similar to the first strategy used one of 3 things needs to happen IMO 1.. Rico/Hubbard simply make plays and we lean on the run despite the Saints making the pass attractive. All takes is a hole vs a stacked box and it’s a huge play. 2. D just goes out and wins it. Think the first Atlanta game 3. Bryce/Canales go deep given is what the Saints give to be taken…..and it goes well vs bad

lol. I call Trevor Lawrence average at best and a bust of a pick. He was built in a robot lab so his ceiling is forever high. but yeah, if you have watched the Jags all season....the boneheaded QB has had his WRs drop a ton of balls (league leading). So for this particular year, it is worth mentioning given they lead the league and many have been huge. It's like when we talk about the stats Cam would have had and mention Ginn's huge drops. It's worth noting. Doesn't change the fact Trevor play the position dumb and always will.

Again, ONE stat doesn't make you below average or average. Bryce Young. EVERY. SINGLE. SEASON. is below average in all the major ways we judge QB production. I can repeat it for you if you would like. He is 25th on among qualifying QBs and you can go to ESPN. ESPN includes more QBs than the ones shown there. But again, you are fixated on Bryce making the epic ride from 25th to 22nd.....which is still below average and ignoring all his other below average production lol. and again, if Bryce Young doesn't deliver year in and year out below average production, then it isn't a thing and you are voiding it from existence. It's pretty simple

team are playing lots of 2 high shell trying to take away the big plays. But I mean, defenses being scared of QB play.....aids the run game. I mean, don't pay the QB and have the threat....the safeties aren't going to be fixated on taking away the deep pass and can play the run and cheat on pass attempts. I think what you are seeing is the most elite QBs are flat out being game planned for to take away the big play. But if you aren't an elite QB and vertical threat QB.....defenses flat out aren't going to make that league wide shift on your offense. Take a Bryce. I would imagine most of his INTs are made by opposing safties over the course of his career (who aren't taking away the vertical but cheating to make plays on the intermediate balls)

so are you saying Bryce Young is indeed below average in every individual aspect a QB is in measured......but his 4th down completion % somehow trumps all of that? lmao. Yeah, that's below average QB play. GWD is a team accomplishment. Which is why Young is attached to some he didn't complete a pass in.

No, he is 25th amongst qualifying QBs. Go check ESPN. and it's not just ONE stat for Bryce. It's all the big production measures. Every. Single. Season. If Bryce Young isn't below average. Below average doesn't exist. You are eliminating it lol. this is why people are forced into being haters. It's denial of reality.

He is 29th in yards per game among qualifying QBs. He is 28th in completion % among qualifying QBs has has the 25th QB rating among qualifying QBs Bryce Young is 100% a below average starting QB. This is not debate. Your feelings don’t trump the reality of his production. he is top 10 in turnovers though. Which Voids him being average-ish in TDs.

I can enjoy a 7 win (to date) season that no one saw coming because of our below average QB play. I don’t enjoy folks that make every win about the below average QB we need to move on from. None of this is hard to understand unless you want to to be hard. Goal is to build a team that can contend. We know where we are on the right page/path and wrong ones. Well, some of us

WTF are you babbling about?

I did my best to keep it realistic my drafting a Gamecock

yeah....based on your response, you didn't listen to the video shared. I know that, because you just made a bunch of assumptions that the clip is taking positions it didn't and views what Person wrote incorrectly. Which it doesn't. If you watched the clip, he makes sure there is no confusion about what Joe is actually saying in his article but it's still a response to Person's article and explains why he/others people become forced into hater positions. Still worth a listen.

I mean I can agree that Fields is worse under the narrative he has tools to be better. It would like if Cam and Jimmy Clausen gave you about the same level of production. Cam in theory is worse because he is Julius Peppers playing QB with a different ceiling. But all things considered, Bryce and Justin Fields offer teams that same thing (all though they go about it different). Below average QB play and we have seen both long enough to know it isn't worth pretending they can be what either were drafted to be.

the team that drafted him washed their hands of him after 3 years. Bryce would get chances after Carolina. But Fieldswill be 1 year stops until teams just admit he is at best a backup. Fields is even weirder than Bryce. He is ever so slightly more efficient and individually productive than Bryce but call it a push. Both are basically these one read QBs that can't really play and make reads into zone. But Fields forever has some legit elite physical tools (his legs) that people keep wishing would allow them to solve the puzzle. for me, Bryce, Fields, and those types fall below even the Mitch Trubisky tier. Which is a young dude w/ no reality of being more than a middle tier QB but actually is one (while the others are below bottom tier).

Fields really didn’t. He got the same. 3 years. Bears said no more. Now he is a one year bounce around guy. Fields and Bryce are the same tier QB.

What you were told about Bryce is over the last 3 seasons he has been the worst….which is really a statement about QBs who also have played over the past 3 seasons. did someone like Anthony Richardson play within that window and was worse? Yeah. Those guys you can name worse had their opportunity taken away because they were deemed bad or have yet to be given in the league long enough to even have to opportunity (so like a bad rookie). QBs that are as unimpressive as Bryce don’t get the 3 season opportunity

wasn't he like co-starter with Drew Hensen most of his last season. It was some weird alternate QB thing going on at Michigan. I don't know, I just googled and co-pilot spit out 10. I don't think it qualifies as 2 legit seasons at Michgian though but maybe it is more than that AI spit out. Going for the quick and easy has given me 3 different numbers lol.

The Panther GOAT probably had 14 division 1 starts The NFL GOAT I think had like 10 starts in college. football is just a weird. But outside of the most extreme outliers....you know after 2-3 years of opportunity if someone is special or not. If you are debating at the end of year 3 if they are even a middle tier game manager? Well, that puzzle got solved.

heck, without the huge gambles of going for it on 4th down (which isn't really normal work).....he would have been 130 in the last game. Because those 2 huge passes barely got him to 200. Which would have been sub 150 in 4 of the last 6 games and under 200 in 5 of the last 6. I mean, this season is what it is. And I can celebrate finding any which way to win. That's cool. But acting like this is good play and production from a NFL QB 3 years in remains a wild thing and even wilder thinking this is a good path/plan going forward. once again, it's really just one Atlanta game as the actual outlier really. and 1 game outliers vs the rest isn't an indication a QB might be able to be a franchise QB

Response to the Person article and a pretty good explanation of how people are forced into being “haters” of Bryce Young by the really bad Bryce takes

I still think “we” sort of operate with a good for Tepper Carolina overall kindset feels like we are forever trying to get back to the Fox/Ron level we were so eager to be done with.