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Sure we have. In college. And was a human turnover machine and bonehead just like behind a weak OL

It’s the NFL and he has been paid millions to be horrible at his job. He can be shat on. It comes with the millions and millions of dollars.

did the D improve if you look at how the 2021 D performed against good offenses (with good QBs)? That’s what matters. we played a high number of bad teams with bad QBs last season. And the D feasted on them. It distorted things. And it’s why Brady, Dak, Allen and good teams did whatever they wanted to our defense. We still don’t know how good Horn actually is either. His 3 full games were against bad QBs. We should of kept Gilmore over Jackson and paired Horn with Gilmore for a multitude of reasons. We lost our best CB and pass rusher from 2021.

Quantifying matters though. I mean if you list the 2020 opposing QBs vs the 2021 opposing QBs? It’s pretty significant IMO. Plus, the handful of good QBs and offenses we faced in 2021….did pretty much whatever they wanted against our defense. Which was talked about a lot on this board last season. and the 2 best players on the 2021 defense just walked out the door.

But that’s really a mix of stuff. Part of that is also the fact we played a much weaker slate of opposing QBs last season vs the one prior. Last seasons D was overrated statistically to a degree because of so many weak opposing QBs.

Tepper already said the new stadium in Charlotte will only be built with him paying 1/3 of the cost. He must not dislike government money too much.

I mean, for some people to be so confident RH is lying about everything....it doesn't seem like anyone actually has paid attention to what they have said. they detailed the type info they requested and why it would be requested. I think RH was in over their head. Tepper appears to of wanted to make sure it stayed that way. That's the way it reads to me. RH is at fault. I just don't think the billionaire gets off the hook for his involvement until all the facts are on the table.

local government probably is tougher to deal with. that probably is true. Furthrer out you go the easier to get what you want. Just look at how quick the governor made stuff happen for Tepper.

They advised they needed more info. And yeah, it's not unreasonable to imagine additional info might be needed than just what was made avaliable to the public. Pretty sure when they made the accusation they also cited the type info that they were requesting from Tepper. The city doesn't just pull bonds out of thin air. again, I am not attempting to universally defend RH. They are going to be in the wrong. It's just odd for some to dig in so aggressisvely to Tepper having no fault in this mess. I'd say the odds are low but time will tell. Well, time will probably only tell if the deal never happens.

yeah, I believe he ran and lost twice to the current mayor he also has been the most vocal and pro Panther facility guy in the area. hard to call him a neutral 3rd party. In addition to the fact York County taxpayers got skin in the game too.

they weren't needing Tepper to tell them how to secure the bonds. That isn't the accusation. To get the bonds requires submitting information and specific details about the actual project. The accusation is Tepper wasn't supplying the specifics needed and was part of the problem. The same guy who apparently routinely goes dark and doesn't say poo about anything. Another accusation. And something we have seen elsewhere from Tepper.

and reporters went to Tepper Sports and they refused to comment. It's literally just the reporting of what has been said and not said. he calls it fake news because everything that RH says he chooses to believe is all lies. It might be. But there claims if true.....would be documented. Which was the point made. So until all the details come out you can't remove Tepper completely from this given the accusations and his refusal to address them. Tepper has proven he is awful outside of his lane. And this project is also outside his lane. He hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt that all accusations against him are false especially when he refuses to address them.

He then went on to the playoffs 4 out of 5 seasons. 3 straight NFCS titles and had a Super Bowl team. what are the odds you fire Ron after 2 seasons and someone does better than that? Ron at least drafted a raw and unique QB and the team did stuff no one was doing. So we took some lumps early and finished strong each year. Which is why he deserved to stay unlike Rhule I’ll gladly take another Ron run. To win a Super Bowl requires the ball bouncing your way. Getting calls. Etc. But Ron had a good run. Best team in the NFL in 2015. Just didn’t get the one that matters most. Ron was a Cam guy. Only NFL coach who has been. I don’t think you can say a new coach would have had the same type 2015 Ron did. Doesn’t work that way. Ron let Cam be Cam. Which had its flaws. But Ron let him be special and welcomed it.

This doesn’t get said enough. Teddy had a career year. So did every WR. Nothing was figured out. Teddy just wouldn’t make all the needed throws because he is too conservative. we built a Sam Darnold O. Sam sucks. He can’t do very basic stuff.

Rebuild? Rhule’s first move was to reset the market and make a RB the highest paid at the position. He spent a top 10 pick on a CB despite having no OL or QB He traded away his 2022 draft picks for the worst starting QB in the NFL. we aren’t in year 3 of a rebuild. If this is a rebuild the word has lost it’s base meaning.

You talking about the guy who put turf down at BoA? the mega billionaire who says he will only pay 1/3 of the cost of the new stadium he one day will come at Charlotte for? the guy who is bringing joke Rhule (who reports at least say he is embarrassed by) back for a 3rd season because of his stupid initial contract?

I don’t think anyone was ignored last year. But the reporting on Rhule is he is simply a micromanager that is too involved. Zebras don’t really change their stripes. Rhule gonna Rhule.

I want Sam and PJ to be our QBs. I want to draft a OT. I don’t want a new overpaid FA QB that we know isn’t the answer BUT would likely spill over into impacting the 2023 cap. Matt Rhule and Sam Darnold aren’t winning. Just got to pray PJ doesn’t start too many games because we all know PJ ain’t losing a game. Ever. Neva lost!

and the knock on Rhule is he puts his thumbprint on everything and is a micromanager. Which seems like a big problem if you hire someone like that and he isn't actually good. probably why we saw no difference in the O when they fired Joe Brady. Same O. Same problems.

I'd say the odds are that Tepper's approach simply lands him a better deal in the end. but I think there will be a lot more unhappy people given what elected officials will end up doing to save this.

I wouldn't call him a neutral 3rd party. Or York County. I mean, they all have skin in the game. From the very beginining, he was one of the biggest promoters of this project.

So what makes one county officials word more credible than one city officials word? RH official was talking about his direct dealings with Tepper Sports. 2 sides of that convo. RH's and Tepper Sports. How does the county official know RH is lying? I would assume the accusation the RH offical made would actually be pretty easy to prove if it were true or made up. I mean, ultimately if Tepper Sports wasn't providing the needed info there is going to be a paper trail. Which is why I said time and more info would be needed before you people give Tepper a complete pass in this clusterfug. *unless there is new info I assume this was a comment made during the pause several weeks ago and isn't something new out this week.

well, that is my issue. And people defending some billionaire in this scenario just isn't something I am cool with. He intentionally came into SC to work with the SC Gov., State House and local politicians to fleece taxpayers. Yes, voters have to hold the politicans accountable. Ultiamtely that is what has to happens and we do a poor job of it. But folks defending Tepper are part of the problem too. Guys like Tepper are a problem. and the real "problem" with the project, is probably the fact some local politicans refused to keep bending the knee to a billionaire continuing to lean and fleece them. I assume COVID drastically changed the numbers and Tepper wasn't going to budge. This isn't even about the Panthers at that point. Just an uber rich dude doing the type stuff that got him obscenely wealthy.

only because you choose to assume everything RH says is false. RH said they repeatedly asked Tepper for needed info for the bonds and Tepper Sports was not providing it....then Tepper Sports was upset for RH not having the bonds. and Tepper Sports hasn't said that claim was false. then RH claims Tepper Sports said not to issue them and wanted to pursue other avenues. and Tepper Sports hasn't said that claim was false. and that is just some basic stuff that has been said. We don't know all these talks. But it sure sounds like the newb football owner operates like a newb builder too. So again, I say we need more info before you absolve Tepper from being a player in helping create this shitshow. Tepper Sports has been asked about stuff like this. They have refused comment. Yet somehow you know the answers. Please feel free to share how you know what Tepper won't talk about.

Sounds just as likely Tepper wasn't following through with all his obligations either. That's the claim. And it's one Tepper refeuses to address. Well, he refuses to address any question that gets directed toward Tepper Sports.