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I think Voth is awesome. I pretty much only come here and there for Panther stuff at this stage. Observer, ESPN, etc is just bleh for a Panther fan. Yall should just merge and take over the world

That pause did get me. Big time. So did that Bahston accent. I am a Newton fanboy and he irritated me. But the chubby little dude is pretty awesome.

I guess my point that is overlooked is.... Voth's article doesn't really contradict his prior opinions. He again states Hardy is likely gone and the owner and FO don't trust him.....in the article people are claiming is him changing his stance. He just is explaining the longshot odds bc he finally had something come up to help support the tiny percentage shot of him being a Panther.....which he stated again he doesn't believe will happen.

and all signs point to Dave being the bad ass I didn't believe could be true..... Rum 1 CRA a happy 0 And the good thing is since the topic is Carolina....if your opinion is wrong there is often good things as a result that made you wrong.

My stances are often unpopular.... - signing 2 RBs to fratured deals is a ridiculous idea - Drafting Cam #1 is a must - Beason is done and we should draft Luke - stated people needed to brace for 89 leaving bc they wouldn't put up with his crap as his aged - James Anderson was a JAG - Clausen would be an epic fail - a near 30 Williams was average and not worth his money nor fit the post Fox/Cam era well Those opinions earned my "hate club". I was wrong as heck about Dwayne Jarrett and Gettlemen. Ron is really the last topic I dug my heels into.....and I guess that is still up in the air. So wrong 90% of the time on the few I dig my heels into? Not really. Unpopular? Yes, often they are. But the point of the board is to share opinions in a repsectful manner. And no ones opinion bothers me.

No. In the article Voth addresses his beliefs. That Hardy most likely won't be here That Richardson and the FO don't trust him He again addresses the financial situation AND states that despite JR and the FO office not trusting him or wanting him JR won't slam doors in someone's face that wanted to plea for Hardy bc he isn't that type owner.....and that is the glimmer of hope Hardy fans have. All that is in his article. So yeah, per Voth's article he believes Hardy is done. Nothing in life is 100%. So his job was then to find the super small percentage and explain it

Maybe or maybe some people don't deal well with people who have different opinions.... you are acting as if Voth just wrote some earth shattering news that now makes the general assumption Hardy is done now isn't likely......but Voth didn't. All Voth did was throw a little poo out to get the Hardy crowd stirring again. I'll repeat my point. Greg Hardy is done in Carolina. Logically following the team and all information provided suggests that. Bill Voth believes Hardy is gone too..and none of that is bullpoo. And no, my opinion won't change unless someone provided an actual REALISTIC argument that makes sense that Hardy had a shot of being here. Your point? I'm not even sure....you seem to be more about broad poster knocking. If not post something or someone credible that believes/shows Hardy will be a Panther

You asked why Bell wasn't on the exempt list... I answered it simply. That isn't blowing anything up. Inflicting bodily harm on a female is viewed as a more severe crime than putting a substance into your own body. That isn't even getting into the eyes of the court. Not all misdemeanors or felonies are the same either

Bc smoking weed and beating women aren't viewed as comparable crimes

I don't think he is a fluff writer. I think it is the offseason and he is merely doing what he has to do....get people to stay interested. Like his article on what it takes for Hardy to be here earlier. It was basically a this is why he won't be here article in disguise. And I haven't formed any opinions based on his stuff. I formed them on my on. Bc Hardy being here doesn't make much sense in my mind for a list of reasons.

And exactly what bullshit are you referring to? All I am doing is not buying nothing as something? You know...pretty much not buying into the bullshit. For example, you claim the majority of the team is lobbying for him to come back. Voth's piece doesn't claim that. It doesn't even name one person. It suggest at least one team leader may have said something....but even that could be hearsay Voth is running with for what if fun piece. Hardy is done. That ain't bullshit

LOL...I'm not the one jumping on buying "unnamed" Panthers doing X and running with it. Claiming I know who they are and how much it means... Voth's article is just an offseason click piece to get the Hardy believers talking. Voth knows Hardy is done here but that is a short article that only needs to be written once.

If I was a betting person I would say Voth is referencing at least Charles Johnson. I think the farther away from his position you go the less vocal people would be. For example I would doubt Olsen would say anything. That is my guess.

We let one walk before who was squeaky clean before.... We definately can do it with one we can't trust given that fact.

Name the guys who went to JR to lobby then.... Ron Rivera champions every player. He publically backs everyone.

I'm not a lawyer but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once back in 2010. I definately don't see a legit case. To date, NFL sat back and let the legal process play out and paid Hardy his millions. NFL has done nothing to Hardy. Zilch. Only person Hardy would have a case against is the chick.....and he just paid her off. So that is out the window

Roger suspending Hardy for 2 games wouldn't be him deciding Hardy was guilty.... Just like if your boss suspended you if you found yourself legally embarrassing your company bc you put yourself in a bad situation. And yes, Hardy hanging out with coke snorting fools.....is a mistake Hardy made and one that impacted many

How would Roger suspending him from football games be overstepping the U.S. Justice system?

Players being asked certain questions by media are going to generate certain answers (by the vast majority of all players)...that doesn't make it the truth. Same thing is also seen when you ask a coach about a player clearly sucking and they say positve things. Saying what you are suppose to say.....simply keeps peace and quiet to a large extent. Most of the NFL players and staff know and practice such. I can find numerous posts of guys 100% supoorting Clausen.....bc that is what they are suppose to say. Can't come out against players bc they might be there. Players know that. So they most show support regardless of question. They are taught that.

NFLPA....yeah, you ever hear them mention Hardy during all this? Maybe they would step in if he got 6 games bc if he did that would mean all DV cases would be getting the same punishment which wouldn't be fair. Bc that is the max. Hardy gets 2 games? NFLPA ain't gonna say diddly poo

That is the point. You don't invest hugely in guys who "hopefully" learned a lesson. Don't forget BEFORE the incident it was questioned as to whether or not he was the type person you wanted to gamble on with big money bc it appeared his decision making wasn't what you would want in a huge dollar guy

Hardy even made an ass of himself in court. I imagine that didn't award him any bonus points either....

People are disciplined all the time by employers despite not being found guilty of crimes. People constantly repeat that the NFL has no grounds/right to punish its employees if they legally aren't guilty....they do. Just like your employer has the same ability

A paid vacation isn't punishment The Panthers NOT Hardy got punished. People blur that fact. The Panthers suffered as a result of this

No such thing as a cap friendly one year deal for Hardy here