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I liked last years approach where XL just flat said he was going to the be the pick

UNC got in for the same reason 789 SEC teams got in. It is what it is.

Yes. Throughout out his entire career. Not sure what you are trying to argue....that Jayce Horn hasn't been Mr. Glass while in Carolina? Jeff Otah while employed started in a higher % of games and he is the historical board meme for not being able to play. His cumulative career and not suiting up is the knock. And given what that has been....I'm not cherry picking last year out and just assuming a guy that never can stay healthy totally would have been there if we needed him.

so to be clear, upon your review, an All Pro/Pro Bowl/All Rookie Team season isn't an example of a rookie showing his team he is a legit NFL player? That's some mental gymnastics IMO. you concede Morgan. So that's 2 out of your 3. Which does leave Jenkins, who still managed 11 starts as a rookie and was a Pro Bowler by year 2. I just don't see how THAT trio is what you are going to dig your heels in on as the example of needing time and patience. Sure everyone needs time to develop. Some positions more than others (as I highlighted, I think guys in trenches need more time than other spots). But in today's NFL, skill players should be showing you windows and glimpses they were the right pick pending they get opportunity and their aren't unusual circumstances. It's not 1990. They are out there running college schemes in today's NFL. Passing game is totally different today. And it's way you see all these 1k seasons from rookie after rookie after rookie after rookie today...they didn't exist years ago. So when Mingo looks like utter trash......you don't need to let 3 years in the books sink in before starting to judge him.

Yeah, I’m not giving the benefit of the doubt to someone that has been Mr. Glass throughout his entire career here. I don’t know if he would have suited up if it mattered….because it’s Jayce Horn. Hunt isn’t Horn. No one is Horn. it’s not dishonest to point out Horn had never played a full season. He hasn’t. He barely has played over 50% of the time.

you are giving Horn a benefit of the doubt his career history says he shouldn't get. We don't know he would have suited up if it mattered at the end. Horn was limited the week prior going into the AZ game. and then the only reason you shut him down and only him.....is he so injury prone vs the rest of the field. Which isn't really a great aspect of Horn. That he has to get special treatment because he is so easily injured.

89 was #2 in return yardage and lead the NFL in return scores with 2. arguably best in the league his rookie season hence the Pro Bowl/all rookie team. His coach just didn’t give him WR opportunity. You got to have that. and a comparison to Luke (an all time GOAT) has nothing to do with Morgan proving he was legit NFL dude as a rookie. Morgan made the all rookie team and no one was debating at the end of the year if we made the right decision. Agree to disagree about it should take time to simply show you are a legit pick and NFL player. If you get legit opportunity…..like say a Mingo…you can start judging them pretty quick. They should be showing they were good picks in windows and waves early in today’s NFL. Specifically at the skill spots. Line play is about the only spot I’ll ignore a bad rookie season. QB too pending the circumstances.

So….2024 he was a top 10 corner? I concede he made the Pro Bowl. Which is a fan and then player popularity contest. Top players at their position often don’t make it and we often see guys who aren’t make it. That’s what the Pro Bowl is. Statistically he wasn’t in 2024 by old metrics. Nor did he rank as such by the newer metrics and methods out there. And the ONE game to my knowledge he largely matched up all game with their opponents lead WR….a washed Nuk Hopkins won the day

everyone's reaction will be.... as we trade up to draft a Carolina Gamecock at Saftey Emmanwori . I have studied the Panthers and run all their prior actions through my newly designed PantherbotAI system. Prepare. No point replying about how we could trade back for him or don't need him. The PantherbotAI has studied these people's past behavior.

I'd rather have him than TMac. I still would go Warren if going O.

What season was he a top 10 corner.....and it can be backed with a statistical argument OR can be backed by a consensus opinion that can be shared? dude has barely suited up for over 50% of his games in Carolina. That's like claiming CMC was a top 10 RB this year. and if you look at 2024 for Jayce Horn (where he stayed on the field ALMOST a full season)....his breakdown of all the different ways you can evaluate a corner has been shared. Nothing top 10 about that performance. Horn also doesn't travel w/ opposing 1s.

Their rookie finished the season #3 in receiving yards. I don't know who all makes up the bottom 5. But I know 99% of folks are going to have Carolina and New England in their list

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jaycee-horn/ hard to really make any type of argument for him being a top corner he is good. not great.

Jayce Horn is the Jeff Otah of corners.

Well….it would be hard to actually write down 5 teams with worse weapons in reality presently and not factoring what folks might become

89 and Morgan both made the PFWA all rookie team. 89's first touch went to the house and added a Pro Bowl. I mean, it was evident they were NFL dudes out of the gate. How great they would be? Well, no one ever knows that. I think it depends on the position and era. I think it is pretty fair to start judging offensive skill position pretty dang early given the way the game is now played vs years ago. Specifically WR, RB and even QB. It's really a more simplistic game today and heavy college influenced. I think you really should look promising pretty early pending there aren't unusual circumstance (like an abnormally bad staff/situation, depth keeping you off the field, etc). I give OL and DL more time to show their stuff. I mean, if you draft a WR in round 1, you play him and give him opportunity, and your O doesn't complete suck do to the QB.....he should look like a good pick out of the gate pretty IMO in today's NFL.

Now I can accept that. But I still contend, an ideal Bryce Young O and a the standard O Canales has been involved with......aren't the perfect marriage. So something had to give. I would think catering to Bryce more vs expecting Bryce to fit the mold of his prior QBs is the way.

in the last 5 drafts, pretty much all the first round TEs were ready to contribute as rookies. Bowers and Pitts had 1k rookie seasons. Kincaid and Hockenson were both ready to compete right away. Warren IMO projects to be ready to make plays as a rookie pending the landing spot. I think if you want him to make plays, he will pretty quickly.

Panthers O needs quickness to round out the rec corps. NFL is slam full of guys that can log good 40 times when they train to run good 40 times. XL isn't quick and shifty. He is powerful and fast. We need the vintage PR style WR mixed in that can take a nothing pass and make a guy miss.

AT is a slow sure handed TE dominating the snaps at a spot a Bryce Young O needs YAC and explosive plays from. I don't have an issue with AT in a vacuum. But his presence lowers the offensive ceiling IMO in a trade off for dependability. Given where we are and where Bryce going to go with the ball I'd rather be developing and growing someone w/ Bryce there. Yeah, an old slow WR that missed 7 games and was debating retirement came back for a check we inflated. No way that sets up to be bad us. I'm ready to turn the page. He doesn't algin with where we need to go IMO w/ Bryce. I'm generally ready to move on quicker than others. I'm often a day early and others a day late. But to me, it's like what you are seeing w/ Kelce in KC. Him being the centerpiece of an O just doesn't work anymore. Will AT catch balls this upcoming year and immediately be down? Sure. Will be complain about his hands? No. But I have been consistent on a Bryce Young O if we are going to do it from day 1. You need YAC guys at the slot and out of the backfield. Slow and no YAC at this spot just ain't how to make it work with Bryce IMO.

Marty Hurney would probably take Warren or Jeanty at our spot given the way the draft looks to fall. Take the surest bets in the top 10

rework adds to his cap number this year (which they view as his last here). It's just a reward. That's at least what Joe Person says. So maybe 50/50 at being correct.

when he got drafted I remember some studies were shared about NFL guys with ACL tears in college......Brooks followed the study. Exceptions to everything, but the math is the math. Don't draft RBs who tear their knee in college. They likely will do it again.

gotta think if we just doing the player math of the last 15 years or so....SC is probably pretty high in the overall player numbers (draft or FA) out of the SEC and of the Carolina schools. I mean, I'm a hater. But Wharton, Captain, etc have been some of the best value picks in franchise history. I think Dowdle is a great add. It just goes against my never ending mantra of drafting RBs. Which I would say if they added a Clemson RB. And despite being a tater homer....I've never jumped on the Tee Higgins movement.

I mean, whoever the scout is in charge of knowing the Gamecocks.....clearly gets listened too. Gotta give him credit for that.