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bad/weak QB play always drags down OL play. OL is going to struggle if all Bryce can threaten is 10 yards of the field. Because defenses will be play the entire game that way. OL was bad last year. Bryce just helped highlight it even more. Generally good QBs help mask it.

well, I don't think you can add legit comp. Not last year or this year. I mean, Bryce is going to lose that comp in offenses not geared to his skill set. I think you just let him flame out. The Panthers drafted a unicorn and then didn't want to build a unique O for him. So be it. Move on after this year.

…PJ Walker paired with Canales and Leggette is a more dangerous O than Bryce Young paired with them. Bryce Young isn’t a fit. And fit is all that matters in the NFL. Matters more than talent.

A stubborn run game doesn’t open up a dink and dunk over the middle pass attack. That’s where the field gets clogged because of the run though, right? it’s why all those heavy run teams pair with with the chunk play pass game. Just seems like wishful thinking. Everyone was talking about Canales and Geno earlier as THE reason why he could save Bryce…but Geno was THE best deep ball passer in the league when he had his comeback.

I wouldn't call Bryce lesser. I'd call him different. Lesser would work. Wilson was a downfield gambler/bomb thrower. Canales only knows downfield chunk pass play QBs. That's not Bryce Young and never will be. Canales is building a Jake Delhomme offense. This is bad marriage #2.

It's the Foxball mindset really. Run the ball, take deep shots. That's what Canales has always been around. Problem remains, he doesn't have the gambling deep shot QB. Which is key to every O he has been around. Baker. Took the deep shots. Geno. Took the deep shots. Wilson. Took the deep shots. Without that element, those offenses don't work. Chunk pass play offense the run sets up.

I'm pretty sure CJ Stroud throws with SIGNIFICANTLY more velocity in non ideal scenarios on a football field than Bryce Young. Some stats decieve. It's like the track kid that runs a 4.2 and the 4.4 guy who is noteworthy faster while playing actual football.

I would assume it will be pretty comparable to what we witnessed in Tampa last year. Only with a QB that doesn't fit his pass game. I think people should be prepared for really bad O. Because Canales ran a weak O last year and had better parts.

But that would run counter to a lot of basic logic. Frank Reich largely had an ideal QB he had worked with…and Reich world people were beating that drum loudly during the draft process that CJ Stroud fit what Frank would want/need. And reporting also was signaling there was a split in house and Tepper wanted Young. We ended up with Young.

I’m not advocating they should at this point. Only that if you were going to draft Bryce…that was what they needed to do. And it was clearly before that season began it wasn’t how they viewed it. And still don’t.

the collective OL/DL in general is a problem. Hunt is freaking 6'6. Maybe he holds up better in pass pro but a problem like the one suggested against UGA is just about everyone around him being bigger and messing up the line of sight.

I think there was a steady theme early last year.....weeks 2 and 3. Frank was unable to not voice it IMO. Because it was too glaring to the public/media. So you really are looking at that window of time and not just 1 statement. I mean, Bryce was a rookie QB and on top of that didn't offer what Frank was accustomed to. He was small and learning how to do things he never really did at Bama. I mean, even the lab built Frank QB would limit him early on in a season if a rookie most likely. Bryce Young most definitely limited Frank early on. And I think it's reasonable to assume given what Frank wanted to do....they were a poor match. Bryce limited Frank and Frank didn't help Bryce. Bad marriage. Which has been my mantra since before last season kicked off. If you want Bryce to succeed you need to give him a coach that is all in on a Bryce O. Bryce isn't going to plug into what some coach has been doing for the last decade. It is what it is. I don't think the Panthers ever viewed it that way. And I think that's their fatal flaw on Bryce.

the studies out that looked at return to the playing field say the average player gets back on the football field in 11 months. He has youth on his side so he could represent the quick side but the average would mean October is when he would be back to actually playing football.

looks about how my kids middle school QB/WR drills have been going lol

Frank was point blanked asked about if they inserted Dalton to protect a smaller QB. Frank said that was not the reason. When point blanked asked about well then why....he said it was strategic reasons. One of which, Dalton could do MORE than one thing. And he repeated that. I'm not making much of a leap there by saying Frank claimed Bryce limited his options and thus inserted a veteran Andy Dalton. Frank went on to mention the wildcat and other QBs that came off the field. But that has nothing to do with Bryce/Dalton. It was just rambling. Same of saying Dalton could come on cold for a snap. That's just rambling that isn't about the why. the common sense reasoning, is Bryce is a tiny QB that saw very limited work under C to that point. It's something he was learning. And an old Andy Dalton was likely indeed a better option and gave Frank more options in that moment. Was that true the entire season? Doubtful. But in week 2 of Bryce's rookie season? Yeah, I'm sure Bryce limited Frank. Or Frank at least believed that. Which he basically conceded to in weeks 2 and 3. I mean, are we really going to argue that....the smallest starting QB in the last several decades, that pretty much just operated out of the shotgun, with non-ideal physical tools......wasn't going to limit a coach like Frank Reich early in a season? Who everyone acknowledged going in only has worked with prototype QBs for what he does.

yep. I mean look at Spencer Rattler. There was a time he was projected to be the #1 overall pick or top QB taken. Next thing you know, he is playing for the Gamecocks. No one knew about Cam Newton. Next thing you know, he is the #1 overall pick. Lot can happen with whatever the class next year is going to be.

I literally linked Frank saying it in his own words. Frank said he put Dalton in on 4th down because Dalton gave him more options than Bryce did in that scenario. And Frank was being pressed on the why by Shenna. the very next week, Frank acknowledged he also altered the pass gameplan and gave Dalton deep balls that weren’t there for Bryce. I merely threw your own language back at you….when you declared my requoting of Frank as the most wildly dishonest post you have ever seen lol. Think you are being a tad sensitive there boss.

Here you go, this is what I referenced. Nothing wildly dishonest about what I said at all. Go to the 2:40 mark with Sheela going at him in a non-prepared statement. Shenna goes at him and asks if they are inserting Dalton because they are worried about Bryce's size. That everyone is viewing it that way. Frank says it's not about size, limiting hits, safety concerns, etc. Frank starts pimping some strategic reason that Andy can do MORE than one thing (implying Bryce limited them) and forces a D to play it different. We think it adds a little bit of mystery and surprise. And to keep defenses off balance. Why are they bringing this guy in. Strategic reasons. They could do more than one thing, that's what Andy gives us He can do multiple things. l wildly dishonest IMO....is pretending Bryce Young wasn't limiting our O last year. Frank told us multiple times Bryce was limiting what he could do. Short yardage and his admission he added different pass plays downfield for Andy. Then there was the eyeball test on Bryce. Does he have strengths? Sure. Does have have limitations in the NFL? 100% Yes.

I mean, give me a second and I will go find the audio on Frank saying it. Pretty sure it was in his post game presser. It was talked about on this board. Probably a thread or two on that as well. What you are referencing is him addressing it again on a Monday. Where he largely knows what the media is going to ask and prepares responses for those questions. And in the quote you are showing he cleans up what he said.

why should he? He is a rookie HC. He has an entire team to worry about. And an entire new staff to worry about. And a new offense to be installed that he will be the playcaller of. Canales has his own things to get straight before the season. I'm just not buying in that Canales is going to be spending unique team with Bryce Young and fixing him in a tiny window. Frankly, that sounds like a poor use of his time. is that why he was hired? I think that is just spin to a large degree. No one interviewed our GM or HC. If he was legit QB guru......half the league would have wanted him or shown interest. I'm just not a buyer. People giving Canales credit for the Seattle machine just being that IMO. And Baker being Baker. And his O was far from impressive last year. I like his energy. I like what he could potentially do culture wise.

well Reich pretty bluntly said a meh vet QB had basic downfield plays installed for him for the week that Bryce didn't have. Reich also said that an old and unremarkable Andy Dalton being inserted on 4th down presented a much greater threat than Bryce Young (the #1 overall pick we mortgaged our future with). Frank was a safe coaching pick off Rhule. Bryce Young doesn't have the NFL tools for a safe coach to even be that. That's the 2024 story. Bryce can't make the throws. Bryce can't sit in a traditional pocket. NFL defenses know that. The limitations are pretty glaring despite whatever strengths to his game may exist. Bryce couldn't do anything to change what defenses were getting away with. He just played right into it.

I mean, we don't even know Canales is really taking a hands on approach. All we really know what the Panther PR machine puts out for us to consume. Canales frankly shouldn't have time to really work with Bryce Young much. He is a first year HC with an entire team to figure out.

Cousins is 3-0 in the Tepper era vs us. 0-2 in the Richardson era

I don't think there is anyway Bryce Young can stink....and remain the starting QB past this year. NFL history of late strongly goes against that. Then you got Tepper as the ice cream on top.