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Panthers really need to reevaluate the fan fest setup. All they really accomplished was setup for scalpers to get an extra freebie to fug fans over.

well, first there are lots of things wrong and that generally go wrong in Carolina. Which is why it's not hard to see a path where that plays out. Rookie year - top 3 Soph year - top 3 3rd year - top 3 4th year - only suited up 10 and then the health stuff started up. So yeah, a healthy Hunter....gets open and gets open quick for easy throws. Receptions. BY isn't a deep ball shot taker. That's not his game. It's an easy call that fans will be either mad at Tmac or XL (maybe both). Bryce doesn't have the balls to satisfy the fan wish of 2 outside guys. I mean, Adam Theilen is basically walking proof as well of why it can easily happen.

That's generally the area a healthy Renfrow operated under. First 3 seasons in the league. And again, if healthy, he will get open better and easier than basically everyone on the roster (that's being polite)....for what will be safer throws than some jump ball downfield to XL. I don't think the yardage would not be crazy but yeah, I totally could see a scenario where he racks up a lot of catches given what he is and does. Safe open throws to move chains. That's Renfrow.

It's not hard to imagine scenario where Hunter is in top 3 in receptions on this team in 2025. He gets open better than practically everyone, and runs safer/easier routes for BY.

if and it's a huge if....Renfrow can get close to what he was....he won't be our #6. Because Renfrow can get open for much higher percentage pass options for BY than basically anyone else on the roster.

I hadn't heard the Hubbard stuff. Hope that's not the case. I was trying to show you some optimism lol

I mean, I have said it before. I actually like Dave. I think he brings a lot of the stuff you want in a HC. I don't like him paired with Morgan because I think Morgan could get an axe quick. Think Tepper likes to set things up to have folks to be fired and take blame. Then the next GM is going to be looking out for himself more than Dave. and I think Dave now is sort of stuck w/ Bryce after the unimaginable Bryce rally. I think the plan was basically that we would move on from Bryce pending something insane didn't happen. They did. Then the insane still happened.

well, I'm not in meetings. Nor employed to make decisions. but the narrative of trust the professionals.....has not been the best defense of actions in Carolina land for some time. The biggest issue I think is time and Tepper. Can a grouping stay in power long enough to actually build a cohesive vision.

I mean, Dan went out and spent more than every team in the NFL on our OL. Not sure that signature move is a sign of good roster building/management. Any GM can largely problem solve an area by going that route. And the OL is really the only position where we have actual answers. I don't equate what we have done w/ the DL being on par w/ the OL. I also don't think it's total fair to completely wipe Dan Morgan's existence from the vision and plans where he was asst GM. I'm still largely of the belief.....Fitterer just took the fall for what largely was a brainstrust that hasn't changed that much.

5, 7, 2, 5 that's been the Panthers with Morgan as Asst GM and GM. I think in Tepperland, Morgan is actually setup for things to go south for him real quick and everyone here turns on him. Just takes basically, one more season like the rest. Think Morgan's seat has potential to get drastically hot with a quickness around these parts. and really the 7 win season, was Wilks and the team fugging up the front offices plan/design the second half of that year.

yeah, the big money totally killed the whole cord cutter streaming move. You like football or basically anything? Well, you just need to purchase 87 subscriptions to watch the season/games/story play out. only good setup right now is the not so very popular MLS. MLS pass on Apple airs every team, every game. Even unpopluar stuff like trying to watch Caitlin Clark or something requires jumping from app to app to app.

maybe renting a Bobby Wagner might of made more sense than thanking Adam Theilen though back in March if they knew this.

I don't want a random developmental QB as a backup. I want someone young who people thought would be a franchise type QB and failed at first, looking for a second shot at redeeming himself in most scenarios. Pending not a rookie or I got Mahomes or something. Bryce is a year 3 QB and sort of in no man's land. Think he deserves real comp sitting on his heals. A guy that believes he could take the job if the opportunity ever arose and be the guy. I mean, just hypothetically play out if Bryce Young were to return to being the dude he largely has been.....then we just insert Dalton. It's a complete wasted season, We have to essentially rebuild the entire room. Who knows, maybe you catch some magic. Have a Geno Smith situation. Or a Jake Delhomme situation.

I'll add one more thought for you Icege What could make me change my outlook? Think that will come down to the Panthers showing me something in preseason. Not wins. Not stats. But I have long been a believer preseason can show you things about certain players, the team, etc (dates back to Matt Rhule era) and IMO has applied ever since. Do they actually rep Bryce Young and not try to hide him this year? I feel that applied the past 2 seasons and drastically hurt him going into both seasons (that's on staff). The young Cam Newton way was the way. Take lumps in preseason. Shake the rust off. Get used to game speed again. Not using the start of the actual season for your very young QB to find a groove. They haven't repped him or rep him less than stud QBs. I don't think either preseason the team was showing confidence in reality (only word) of what they had going into either of the last 2 seasons. also, we need our young WRs doing the same. They need the same reps. Preseason games don't matter. But they do. They are real NFL reps vs people you don't see every day in real game environments. They need lots of balls. XL and Saunders combined for 2 catches all last preseason (XL at 0). I get injury concerns and being overly cautious was part of that. But those dudes still played. Feel the staff did a poor job of working up our young guys in those moments leading into the season. Get them catches. Get them work. If BY, XL, Tmac, Saunders are out there all preseason putting in real work going into this season and showing some confidence? The players on O that will matter are? I might change my view. If it's just a bunch of not seeing Bryce, not seeing Tmac, not seeing XL, not seeing Saunders, etc.....and being told but it's totally going to be great week 1? Meh.

I believe we could in fact be the best and most fun to watch team of the entire Tepper era. So I’ll give you that. I just think we stay under .500. Flirt with that line. I do not think we have much room for injury though. Really need a 17 game Hubbard season behind a largely healthy OL for that to happen though. Still think the pass game is going to be on the weaker side given so much development with guys is in the works there so too much can't be placed on their shoulders. 100% has to be a complimentary O.

lol. I 100% knew that, I guess I failed in not making that reply even more comedically over the top. I’ll try better in the future.

best hope now is a team cutting aging vets for their own youth movement I guess. You sometime can snag some good players when those cuts hit but they are pricey

now, hear me out....

Dude should never play another snap of football.

That's upstate South Carolina royalty right there sir. James Hunter Renfrow. Third and Renfrow. The man's got literal WR routes named after him. A multi-time champion on the football field. Half man, half god, half possible centaur. Best put some respect on his name. Does Adam Thielen have routes named after him? Well, in fairness, JT O'Sullivan might have some names for them.

bro, this is July heading into a new season. Even not very optimist posters are operating at their most optimist versions of themselves. I mean, not me. Just talking about others. I have dumped all my optimism into one player. I got little left over to spread around elsewhere. All hail the future King of the Queen City!

Warren landed in a rough spot to shine. Think Richardson was like at a 40% comp last year or something horrific.

Marvel losing Gunn is going to bite them. Gunn being over this DC universe is going to be a really good thing. He knows exactly how to do this Superhero fun thing just right.

he was an undrafted rookie. Which for me, is a different tier. It's the additional arm tier, that no coach will ever have to really worry about talking about. Pending I don't have a rookie or superstar....I probably prefer the QB situation most coaches don't want. Which means a #2 that fans would clamor for if times got a little tough.

I largely like someone like Noah being added simply because of what the roster looks like. Not so much because I like him. In terms of consistency and reliability, we have Adam Theilen, who debated retirement, couldn't play a full season last year.......and that brings us to the conclusion of that discussion. AT goes down or the lotto hail mary Renfrow thing doesn't work (think Cohen).......and you still got a roster full of dudes you don't even know for sure will run the right routes yet given their youth. We might could use some boring good. Because you basically are all in on AT staying healthy to get that every week * I think Moore and Tremble don't meet the average tier like Fant which is why I didn't list them.