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I mean you asked. At his size his is strictly a shotgun QB and I would be very careful with QB sneaks for that one yard. I think our staff is good enough to use him correctly and cater the offense to his strengths, but it will be limited to a degree.

I think that's spot on. He probably wasn't accustomed to pressure with that OSU OL in front of him. Once teams were able to get some pressure on him, he started adjusting his play style. I have nothing against Young. I think he is a phenom on the college level, I just rank Stroud higher as a NFL prospect but think Young can still be great. I have it close enough to where I would be happiest if we could get Houston to move up and take whoever they don't want plus the extra picks.

Then why even throw? Did Carolina specifically ask him to throw? Of course not. These teams are just down here to observe the players and get to know them. He was also throwing the deep ball to show he has enough arm strength. Why did he do that? I find it hard to believe anyone thinks he weighs was Murray weighs looking at them side by side.

Plays under center.

I think it's overblown with Stroud. He had the best rating in all of college football even with his "bad pressure" numbers. He wasn't terrible under pressure, just dropped from his crazy high no pressure rating. He honestly didn't experience enough pressure early on. UGA brought the heat and you see what he did there.

The ironic thing about that is NOT weighing in was much more of a distraction than if he simply did like everyone else. It made him look like he was hiding something if he wasn't.

He definitely does some great things on the field. Honestly if Stroud was sitting right there I would be all in on Young. I just think both are great at processing and ball placement. One seems limited (to a degree) on what you can run offensively due to his size and the other doesn't. That's the only reason I am leaning Stroud. Take away Stroud and Young's the guy by a mile.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/23/bryce-young-declines-to-weigh-in-at-pro-day-workout/ "It’s a clunky, goofy way to obscure the truth. And the truth is that, whatever Young currently weighs, he fears the number is low enough that it will hurt his final draft position." Weighing in takes seconds and have zero risk of injury. Not to mention it is very relevant to his frame concerns. Not buying it and neither are most scouts. The fact you are so adamant about him weighing over 200 shows how much of a concern it can be. What's wrong with him weight 180/190? Those have even less injury examples right?

That part worries me at the next level. Having to scramble around to see over OL to see a throwing lane. The NFL is a game of inches and also a game of seconds. He is great at processing, but the extra second he needs to run around and find a lane could be crucial. I like him as a prospect, but he is far from a sure thing due to his limitations IMO.

Then why not simply weigh in at his Pro Day? Also why do nothing but weigh in at the combine? I think people that are die hard Young WANT to believe he plays over 200, because a 180lb QB would be off the charts. I'm not sure it really matters, but I have a hard time believing he weighs what he weighed in at during the combine. Even during the interview he was asked if this was his actual playing weight... Murray for example is at 207. I have a hard time believing Young weighs the same.

That's kind of how I feel and I really didn't think it was a question, but people keep saying he plays at 200 plus. Hell he was still on his "diet" when he ate dinner with our staff.

Also it's a much smaller (no pun intended) sample size. QBs under 6ft that have started and played in a lot of games seems very small. Murray (who has battled injuries, but runs a lot and hasn't played long) and Russ (who has stayed healthy) just off the top of my head. Obviously you are going to find more injuries for QBs 6'2" plus because a huge majority of starting QBs fall into this category.

Honest question. Do you really think his playing weight is above 200?

It's a real big question mark. I have seen many top picks have great elusiveness in college, but not so much in the NFL. If we draft him I will definitely be holding my breath when a Myles Garrett lands on him. Now if he can keep that elusiveness then he could be special. I'm not sure about that whole pocket passer increasing injury risk. Peyton, Eli, Rivers, Brady, and Brees were pocket passers that were quick to get the ball out and they rarely got hurt. Cam had no left tackle and held the ball too long (probably due to his elusiveness). I've seen a lot of these pocket guys simply throw the ball away when pressure gets rough to live to fight another day which isn't a bad thing...

Yeah and I am not sure you want him taking snaps from under center. He never really did in college. I mean his size will be outside the data range of successful QBs, so it's really hard to estimate what that looks like. People keep bringing up Brees, but Bress has like 2 inches and 20ish pounds on Young. Comparing Brees's size to Young is like comparing Mahomes's size to Brees. It's still more significant than some people are thinking on here.

I will say this too. He seems very good at taking hits as funny as that sounds. I noticed he really kind of gives himself up and kind of absorbs the hit. Those type of hits are usually pretty mild. Someone on here compared it to drunk drivers rarely getting as injured because their bodies are relaxes the whole time. I also think his size is going to limit some of our play calling, but if he excels at what he does I am not sure that matters as much.

For Young I think it is size combined with his playing style. Running around extending plays is awesome, but it definitely leads to extra hits. So it's the size plus the number of hits he takes. You also don't want to take that part of his game away because that is where he excels. If he was a pocket guy that got the ball out quickly and avoided hits, the size wouldn't be as much of a concern (like Drew Brees).

https://www.si.com/.amp/college/2022/12/30/cj-stroud-ohio-state-quarterback-family-father-mother Good long read about Stroud. I’m sure it’s been posted before. He has had a pretty hard life and had to grow up at a young age. It looks like both he and Young also have great character which is important in a franchise QB.

Peyton played until he was like 38 which at the time was pretty good. He hurt his neck, but the reason he retired was his arm declined quite a bit that last year. If we are getting a Peyton Manning career I’d take it in a heartbeat. Brady is s great pocket passer as well but he sold his soul to the devil so he doesn’t count. It’s interesting because Stroud said he learned to play when he was little by watching Drew Brees.

Baker and Kyler love their heismans. Such good college QBs. The Golden Calf of Bristol’s is nice too… Manziel, Leinart, RG3, Mariotta, Winston, Bradford, Eric Crouch, Troy Smith, Jason White… So for every Burrow/Cam there is a list much longer of other heisman winning QBs.

Brees was rarely injured because of his play style. He always had a great OL and got the ball out quick. His game is actually much similar to Stroud’s.

If that happens they would use 32 and 39 to move back into the first and get Stroud his WR. https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/.amp/news/panthers-will-host-ohio-state-wr-jaxon-smith-njigba-for-pre-draft-visit

I would have to go with Smith. He and Burns would be a nice combo for years to come. Flowers would be a close second.

Agreed. The top 2 QBs could both work in the NFL and should have a higher chance of success. No one is going to be surprised if either one is picked first. Both Stroud and Young dominated the college level of the sport, but it’s a lot more difficult at the next level.

No one is saying he is the same as those. We are saying that style of play in college isn’t a sure thing to translate to the NFL. Dancing around NFL players while absorbing hits is a lot different than doing it in college. Baker was great at that in college, it’s why he went number 1. Assuming that ANY QB in this draft can’t be a bust is pretty bold IMO, but you do you. Stroud has never been seen with even an average supporting cast for example. He could easily struggle in the NFL as well.