45catfan

It's a 50/50 chance.

Yep, but on the other hand if we weren't testing as diligently and fudging the numbers *cough* (China) *cough* then it would be a government conspiracy to kill people. It's no win situation and exactly the way some people want it until, you know, a certain point time.

Dynamics of an airborne disease and some people do not quite grasp that. If you breathe, which is to say not being dead, you can get this no matter what you do. It doesn't just linger in the air of grocery stores, churches, restaurants or bars. Short of living in an astronaut suit with your own oxygen supply, you have a decent chance of getting this. I think that's where the mentality is different. People like the lady in the article thought there would be no way she could get this if she did x,y,z. When dealing with microscopic particles in the air, you are at risk...period. You can don PPE all day long and it will reduce the risk, but there is still a risk, none-the-less. That is the reason analysts keep saying such a high number of people will have or had this by year's end. Two things will happen: either we will reach effective (not total) heard immunity to the point the viral impact dwindles naturally or we get a vaccine before then. At this point, it looks like the first scenario may occur.

No, but you didn't answer the question kiddo.

How old are you, 14?

Lol! I never said useless, but please continue... Dude I have been around the block a time or two and whether you meant to or not, people that are activists for something (which you strongly feel about masks) overplay the word game to heighten the importance of their cause. Yes, mask wearing slows the spread of the virus, but that is all it does is slows down the transmission rate from person-to-person. Throw any other descriptive word in there you want, but that's the reality of it. Stopping, preventing, halting...whatever is overstated.

He was engaging in pretzel logic and managed to get himself all twisted up. He may restate it after he figures out how to untangle himself. Apply WD-40 and a shoe horn.

Yet I was an dense one for the silver bullet satirical statement. At least we are on the same level on now.

Exactly.

Again, using Huddle logic there. I'm glad you agree. I was trying the 4corners approach. Obviously it works for him.

And here we go with the ole Huddle "you don't understand" fall back argument. Yes, I know what semantics means, however, I would say to you that the average person takes prevention as a literal meaning to STOP. So no, I don't think you chose that word by accident. Mask do not stop the spread, it reduces the spread. It's not really a tom-A-to; tom-a-to thing. Even when I do go out with a mask, I still know there's a very real chance I may catch it and that mask isn't preventing crap.

Just used Huddle logic in that instance. Sometimes satirical statements reach people better here.

So other people can still get it even with a mask? Man, I thought a mask was a COVID-19 silver bullet.

It's only a semantic if you want it to be. I know the difference, but if you choose not to, so be it. Reduction of spread sounds so less effective than prevention, wouldn't you say?

Typical comeback. Outside of N-95s, the effectiveness is as low as 50%, homemade cloth coverings even less. While masks help reduce the spread, they do not prevent COVID-19 spreading.

Nope, but the intent was implied. Literal definition from Websters dictionary of prevent: to keep from happening or existing

Masks R-E-D-U-C-E chances of getting a respiratory illness, they do not PREVENT. FYI, I do wear a mask when going to places with a lot of people.

NYC is only now really reopening, just give it time. They are behind the curve, literally, based off reopening later than just about everyone else. All they did was delay what is bound to eventually happen. Just give it a few weeks (see, I can play this game too). Smart decisions like sticking COVID-19 patients in nursing homes?

It's amazing the number of outlets where you can easily find accumulative case counts and number of deaths, but you have to really dig to find the number of recovered cases. Secondly, you would think total case count (while important) would be secondary to the active case count. But, you know, that doesn't drive headlines and fear mongering.

Not going to happen, so don't count on it.

Dude, masks kills COVID-19 and hiding in the basement makes it go away, why are you still not on board with this?

They will be saying that until November. Just wait 3 more weeks, you will see!!!!!

I know his game and ignore him most of the time, but the really, really dumb takes I like to call him out on them.

A few things here. Firstly and most importantly, the medical community knows how to treat this better than they did 3 months ago. Initially, if people had a good amount of trouble breathing, a vent was the go-to method. That has been shown to have horrendous results. There are several methods of treating this now as long as the patients are not too advanced in their sickness. Secondly, we know that testing was scarce initially and the number of tests were tied to those being admitted to the hospital for COVID-19...even then they were only taking the most dire cases. Many of those people died. So yes, the early deaths rates looked scary as heck! Lastly, if you quarantine the entire country cases are going to be predictably less than not closing things down. However, society can't be cordoned off forever, so as the country reopened, of course cases were going to spike. Minimizing exposure does NOT eradicate the virus, it just delays the inevitable until vaccine is developed and widely available.

And less deaths in the entire state of Florida than NYC alone.